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In reply to the discussion: Just checked my new ACA rates [View all]
>> I think now I would have to pay $12500, the max out of pocket? <<
Sounds about right for a family of 2 or more. [font color = red]ON Edit: That's not the amount you HAVE to pay out of pocket, its the MAXIMUM amount you could pay for all medical expenses in a year (not including the premiums, but including deductibles and copays)[/font]
>>I am not sure how the 70/30 copay and 6000 deductible works for something like an appendectomy.<<
All medical expenses up to $6,000 in a year, you pay. Kaching.
Then above that level, 30% of all costs.
I have no idea what an appendectomy costs, I suppose I can look it up in HealthCareBlueBook or somesuch (which are average rates)
But if some surgery costs say $20,000, and that is your only medical expense in a year, you'd pay:
$6000 deductible
$4200 (remaining $14,000 * 30% copay)
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$10,200 Total
[hr]
If you had $4000 in other medical expenses in a year, than that surgery above would cost you:
$2000 remainder of the $6,000 deductible
$5400 (remaining $18,000 * 30% copay) [font color = red]On Edit: I corrected this[/font]
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$7,400 Total (such a bargain. limited time only. Act now and save!)
That's only if you are in network. The hospital might be in network, your surgeon might be in network, but the anesthesiologist might not be -- you could end up paying his/her entire bill, though I think most insurance plans have maybe a 50 or 60% copay on out of network providers, not 100%. (ACA's out-of-pocket maximums don't apply to out-of-network providers)
By the way, I sympathize on your premium increase. Mine went up 31% from $419/mo to $553/mo. (I'm single). And my copay for most procedures went up from 10% to 15%. And I don't qualify for subsidies either.
Sounds about right for a family of 2 or more. [font color = red]ON Edit: That's not the amount you HAVE to pay out of pocket, its the MAXIMUM amount you could pay for all medical expenses in a year (not including the premiums, but including deductibles and copays)[/font]
>>I am not sure how the 70/30 copay and 6000 deductible works for something like an appendectomy.<<
All medical expenses up to $6,000 in a year, you pay. Kaching.
Then above that level, 30% of all costs.
I have no idea what an appendectomy costs, I suppose I can look it up in HealthCareBlueBook or somesuch (which are average rates)
But if some surgery costs say $20,000, and that is your only medical expense in a year, you'd pay:
$6000 deductible
$4200 (remaining $14,000 * 30% copay)
----------------------------------------------
$10,200 Total
[hr]
If you had $4000 in other medical expenses in a year, than that surgery above would cost you:
$2000 remainder of the $6,000 deductible
$5400 (remaining $18,000 * 30% copay) [font color = red]On Edit: I corrected this[/font]
----------------------------------------------
$7,400 Total (such a bargain. limited time only. Act now and save!)
That's only if you are in network. The hospital might be in network, your surgeon might be in network, but the anesthesiologist might not be -- you could end up paying his/her entire bill, though I think most insurance plans have maybe a 50 or 60% copay on out of network providers, not 100%. (ACA's out-of-pocket maximums don't apply to out-of-network providers)
By the way, I sympathize on your premium increase. Mine went up 31% from $419/mo to $553/mo. (I'm single). And my copay for most procedures went up from 10% to 15%. And I don't qualify for subsidies either.
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Medicare for all, including dental, optical, hearing aids and mental health services.
Scuba
Dec 2015
#61
Embedded Greed In The For Profit Health Insurance System Will Drive All To Single Payer
cantbeserious
Dec 2015
#2
Not an innocent DEATH SPIRAL - something much much worse- a crime against humanity disguised as one
Baobab
Feb 2016
#160
There is no specific limit on profits, but spending on admin + profits must not exceed 20%
progree
Dec 2015
#26
For the ACA subsidies, it doesn't matter whether one is in a Medicaid expansion state or not
progree
Dec 2015
#8
But NOW there are max out of pocket....no more going bankrupt....there is a lrice for that...
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2015
#10
My insurance went you that much before ACA. Now not so much. Isn't it wonderful your kids
uppityperson
Dec 2015
#36
That is WHY we need to stop defending the ACA and fight for single payer!!!!
darkangel218
Dec 2015
#48
The same thing that would have happened before the ACA, no coverage. While I understand and agree
still_one
Dec 2015
#128
I can't speak for the OP. However, if he says he can't afford the premiums for
LibDemAlways
Dec 2015
#51
The ACA did NOT leave it up to the states to expand Medicaid. That was a fucked up 5-4
progree
Dec 2015
#52
Do you understand that this isn't a Sanders vs. Hillary discussion? This is real people hurting
JonLeibowitz
Dec 2015
#72
You have three kids in college but can't afford to insure them????? Sounds fishy.
marble falls
Dec 2015
#63
How can he afford NOT to insure college aged students? If I was making $100K....
marble falls
Dec 2015
#108
And yet I have three "kids" educated and employed. Must have been a miracle.
marble falls
Dec 2015
#141
it is not unusual for college to cost 25K and up per year per child, including books, board and room
still_one
Dec 2015
#133
Do you have any idea how much it costs to send a kid to college, plus a mortgage, homeowners
still_one
Dec 2015
#126
I don't have a problem, I have the means, but a lot of what is referred to as the middle class do
still_one
Dec 2015
#130
No offense but you really have no idea what you are talking about. It also depends where you live
still_one
Dec 2015
#147
We just disagree on this, and that's ok. That is what a discussion board is all about
still_one
Dec 2015
#151
I am not defending the OP. What I am saying there are people who are on the borderline, just over
still_one
Dec 2015
#157
Medical costs, including premiums, are tax deductible -- the amount above 10% of your AGI that is.
progree
Dec 2015
#43
The you didn't click through to find out why Bernies state Vt. couldn't do it...
Historic NY
Dec 2015
#135