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SFnomad

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190. The only spin is coming from you

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:59 PM

Mar 2016

He stated manufacturing jobs increased under Clinton, they did.
You called him a liar, you were wrong.
Now you're trying to say anything to "prove" you're right anyway.

Nothing but spin, spin, spin

Buh-bye

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP

The H1-B visas have hurt people that aren't in manufacturing. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #1

H1-B visas are a single issue: and mostly pushed by the GOP: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #23

As a tech worker angrychair Mar 2016 #46

HRC doesn't have any plans to dramatically expand H1-B: just more Sanders lewebley3 Mar 2016 #47

I guess she evolved on this point too. rynestonecowboy Mar 2016 #55

Smart people do evolved: because times change: GOP dont' evolve lewebley3 Mar 2016 #63

Hillary doesn't evolve, she says whatever she thinks will get her more voters mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #84

She takes the position that helps the country best: She has had same principles forever lewebley3 Mar 2016 #86

Bull, she has no principles mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #128

Bwahahaah! BeanMusical Mar 2016 #137

If Hillary's positions are that of a loyal dem then the party is sicker than I thought All in it together Mar 2016 #178

Evolution on an issue Bettie Mar 2016 #173

Another great Democrat "evolved" Loki Mar 2016 #111

OK, I'll bite.. phazed0 Mar 2016 #139

This is a nice read. Loki Mar 2016 #146

No need to be nasty, Hillary Supporter... phazed0 Mar 2016 #148

78 posts Loki Mar 2016 #151

Oh great.. no rebuttal and an attack... phazed0 Mar 2016 #154

Is it standard fair to marginalize people based on their post count on DU? SFnomad Mar 2016 #186

Comparing Hillary Clinton sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #185

You dont get it, whatever she does matters not in the least at that point Baobab Mar 2016 #134

I gave you a direct quote from Hillary Clinton angrychair Mar 2016 #58

This is the year 2016: Hillary has no plans no to expand Hb lewebley3 Mar 2016 #60

I gave you proof angrychair Mar 2016 #66

A link has been provided to a video contradicting your assertion. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #115

got a link to that? Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #133

1995 General Agreement on Trade in Services Baobab Mar 2016 #135

Got a link to justify your assertion? So far it does not look like it. Keep up the propaganda! n/t xocet Mar 2016 #136

I am sure that by 2017 she will evolve on that subject. n/t whopis01 Mar 2016 #174

In 2008, one of her biggest funders was the Indian outsourcer, Toto. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #59

L1 and similar visas are the problematic ones Baobab Mar 2016 #61

Horrors! What you are describing will drastically reduce the standard of living for JDPriestly Mar 2016 #116

"disciplines on domestic regulation' Baobab Mar 2016 #123

The trade agreements are aimed to destroy our democratic institutions and our JDPriestly Mar 2016 #132

You may be not be able to handle the truth zalinda Mar 2016 #62

Now that we have video, we must deal with "Who are you going to believe... libdem4life Mar 2016 #153

Why pay workers some percentage is US prevailing wages (H1B visas) when you can Baobab Mar 2016 #68

Link? justaddh2o Mar 2016 #74

Do you have a link to Hillary stating her stance on H1-B visas. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #114

GATS "Mode Four" Baobab Mar 2016 #127

Less than 2 years ago.. OhioChick Mar 2016 #160

That Was a Good and Interesting Article From Computerworld gordyfl Mar 2016 #119

The Clintons' history suggest otherwise. For your viewing pleasure Skwmom Mar 2016 #94

Wow way to deflect TheFarseer Mar 2016 #145

Outsourcing has too. When your phone rings and someone in the Philppines in on the other JDPriestly Mar 2016 #112

I always enjoy talking to "Bob" in India or the LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #143

H1B visas have been terrible for IT people. greymouse Mar 2016 #170

Her saying that $12/hr min. wage was good enough... RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #2

The thing is she has set he goal for $12 but what will be end up settling for? LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #18

precisely Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #169

Kasick said $8.10 fun n serious Mar 2016 #26

$12 in Podunk USA, more elsewhere. Sanders wouldn't do any better. Hoyt Mar 2016 #27

We will have $15 minimum wage in Los Angeles in just a few years. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #118

And you'd have the same under Clinton due to cost of living adjustments to base of $12. Hoyt Mar 2016 #121

Possibly. But probably not. That's just a guess. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #129

I don't dispute that, but $15 has no chance passing with this Congress. Hoyt Mar 2016 #140

I'm not so sure Clinton will increase it at all. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #147

at least Sanders would try greymouse Mar 2016 #172

Hey it's pragmatic Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #168

maddening, isn't it? yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #3

People must care about her, she's ahead in... dubyadiprecession Mar 2016 #4

Lots of Republicans vote against their interests too Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #6

Voting against one's own best interests is LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #97

Your favorite group is Sanders, huh? Interesting. nt LiberalElite Mar 2016 #13

Here, Here, Me too. If your starting a list add me. Not that I would have any reason A Simple Game Mar 2016 #91

Thanks to M$M blackout of Bernie and his message (which I bet you yourself do not know) Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #44

You might want to do a wee bit of chervilant Mar 2016 #155

True, and where you say 'some' clinton voters don't understand, elleng Mar 2016 #5

Converse: The nature of belief systems in mass publics OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #20

Her policy disregards the folks left behind in the "recovery" onecaliberal Mar 2016 #7

So true LSparkle Mar 2016 #56

Her state department helped block a minimum wage raise to $5 a day in Haiti. think Mar 2016 #8

Disaster capitalism. OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #24

Thank you for putting together all this additional information together. Appreciated! /nt think Mar 2016 #53

Here's some more stuff: OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #80

Thanks for this. I didn't know, or forgot. nt Duval Mar 2016 #35

Jesus, $5 a day! Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #162

When did Clinton say she wants people to compete for 50 cents an hour? LonePirate Mar 2016 #9

She pushed for NAFTA, and for China's entry into the WTO, and for the TPP Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #10

Corporations will move jobs with or without these deals. There is no competition involved. LonePirate Mar 2016 #14

Bullshit. Tariffs are a thing. Trade policy is man-made. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #16

You're wrong to believe tariffs make up for reduced labor, supply chain and other production costs. LonePirate Mar 2016 #28

GATS Mode Four never caught on as they wanted it to, so now TiSA is in the pipeline Baobab Mar 2016 #71

When I grew up there were certain vegetables and fruits... Paka Mar 2016 #141

Its all about free trade vs fair trade. It has never been fair trade. there needs to be a new law litlbilly Mar 2016 #32

Agree. ananda Mar 2016 #69

Corporations will move jobs, but if we did not have the trade agreements, we would not JDPriestly Mar 2016 #124

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #183

Wow. Hyperbole... chervilant Mar 2016 #156

Ask the OP. He's the one who said US workers were going after 50 cents and hour wages. LonePirate Mar 2016 #157

Lie... chervilant Mar 2016 #158

Take it up with the OP. He's the one who posted that nonsense. LonePirate Mar 2016 #159

See this: Carrier Workers See Costs, Not Benefits, of Global Trade. elleng Mar 2016 #11

Thank you for posting Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #12

She served on the Board of WalMart. How's that work out for the workers? The owners? jalan48 Mar 2016 #15

Crushing unions usually favors owners Nickel79 Mar 2016 #31

Neoliberal Hillary! mckara Mar 2016 #17

Hillary has worked as progressive all her life lewebley3 Mar 2016 #22

No, she hasn't. Here are just a few examples: Nickel79 Mar 2016 #37

You missed one.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #113

Weird Springslips Mar 2016 #130

Sorry, no cigar.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #131

Paychecks issued by Wall Street. dchill Mar 2016 #40

No, Hillary pay check has come mostly from the public ser: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #41

Enjoy your hysterical blindness. dchill Mar 2016 #42

You are a blind ideologue: and Ideologues should never be in power: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #79

I AM an ideologue... dchill Mar 2016 #81

Yes your are: Its your way or the highway on Hillary and Dem's lewebley3 Mar 2016 #82

Check your mirror. dchill Mar 2016 #83

That's correct. rynestonecowboy Mar 2016 #64

Oh Please!!!! INdemo Mar 2016 #57

That's a Good One mckara Mar 2016 #75

Amen brother. Phlem Mar 2016 #19

This post is just more Sanders propaganda: Hillary has worked for poor American's all her life lewebley3 Mar 2016 #21

Sure she has! Nickel79 Mar 2016 #30

The GOP outsource jobs: The Clinton's created 22m new jobs: 7.4m pulled lewebley3 Mar 2016 #39

False. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #49

No, that is not true: Manfuacturing jobs went up under the Clintons lewebley3 Mar 2016 #50

Blatantly false, and you've failed to prove a single claim in this thread. n/t Nickel79 Mar 2016 #52

You know, it's gets old listening to you people ... you are wrong. SFnomad Mar 2016 #161

And then they signed NAFTA into law... DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #179

Again, "you people" make blanket statements with no evidence Nickel79 Mar 2016 #180

I don't care how you want to spin it SFnomad Mar 2016 #181

Clinton's policies and trade agreements were disastrous for this country Nickel79 Mar 2016 #188

The only spin is coming from you SFnomad Mar 2016 #190

Bill Clinton got lucky zalinda Mar 2016 #65

No luck involved: The Clinton budget of 1993 was passed without 1 GOP vote lewebley3 Mar 2016 #73

Wow, I want what you've been smoking! zalinda Mar 2016 #76

Wrong: the Strengthening of Reaganomics was under Bush: That is why Obama lewebley3 Mar 2016 #85

That must be some strong stuff you've been using. zalinda Mar 2016 #88

+1 Paka Mar 2016 #142

absolutely delusional noiretextatique Mar 2016 #176

You mean this kind of Crash the Economy? DhhD Mar 2016 #87

Thanks for the great post, Cheese. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #25

I agree. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #29

Jury results on OP Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #33

I agree with juror #1 ejbr Mar 2016 #43

So Hillary's fascists tried to silence another voice? Nickel79 Mar 2016 #51

You can't post anything on DU anymore that's LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #98

Not only that, but the Hillery hit squad..... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #120

So in short, they respect democracy as much as the queen... Nickel79 Mar 2016 #189

yes, it is a class war grasswire Mar 2016 #34

K&R. dchill Mar 2016 #36

Fucking A !!!!! SamKnause Mar 2016 #38

Clinton has said the TPP is "the gold standard." Tragl1 Mar 2016 #45

But we must be able to compete with the rest of the world 4dsc Mar 2016 #48

Because by and large, they aren't very bright. n/t Nickel79 Mar 2016 #54

As already stated...she says you aren't worth $15/ hour...only $12. SoapBox Mar 2016 #67

$15 per hour would be a reasonable raise for me and I could really use it! Skeeter Barnes Mar 2016 #77

Racing the American middle and working classes to the bottom. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #70

$250k per hour is fine for Hill and Bill. $600k per year is fine for Chelsea. $15 per hour Skeeter Barnes Mar 2016 #72

Some people will slam me, I know. But I think HRC is going to have a tough time going RKP5637 Mar 2016 #78

Bernie isn't doing too well against HRC... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #90

Yep, same thoughts here too! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #99

She'd be on the defensive the entire campaign. LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #100

The DNC and DWS are in for a rude awaking in the 2016 GE. Millions of voters are PO'ed with the RKP5637 Mar 2016 #105

one additional thing... Locrian Mar 2016 #89

this was Gordon Gekko's point--that raiding is not sustainable because it doesn't produce MisterP Mar 2016 #149

This is Globalization vs Protectionism apnu Mar 2016 #92

Good observation.... and as a... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #117

Climate change puts the lie to that dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #182

Globalization is the only way to combat global climate change.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #187

Vote Bernie2016 and remove your debt-slave collar. /nt SDjack Mar 2016 #93

Listening to Hillary, it's clear she thinks our wages are too high... whereisjustice Mar 2016 #95

Only time she mentions our rights is during primary campaigning. senz Mar 2016 #96

Frankly, this line of nonsense is getting sillier by the hour. If one were to spend an hour.,, NNadir Mar 2016 #101

It is a class war. Clinton has us shooting at each other. Everywhere she whereisjustice Mar 2016 #102

When I read this kind of crap from someone with less than 3000 posts... NNadir Mar 2016 #126

It is a class war. Clinton has us shooting at each other. Everywhere she DJ13 Mar 2016 #144

Don't pull that Eugene McCarthy crap on me... whereisjustice Mar 2016 #152

although I wish Obama had deleted Reagan's old min wage BS configuration PatrynXX Mar 2016 #103

Clearly those workers should pay $60,000 for degree in tech whereisjustice Mar 2016 #104

gonna have to tamp down on the Socialist Progressives Group cuz it's getting seen in Greatest List tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #106

It's my fault Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #107

okay then tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #109

Sorry I call foul. redstatebluegirl Mar 2016 #108

K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #110

Of course she is. How could anybody who is paying attention not know this already? debunction.junction Mar 2016 #122

"She doesn't care about me, and I don't care about her." debunction.junction Mar 2016 #125

Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #138

The super wealthy, like the Clintons, Thespian2 Mar 2016 #150

So it was only the "privileged people" that got the jobs in the Clinton years? Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #163

I have an observation on those "50 cent an hour" jobs, & a question. CaptainTruth Mar 2016 #164

careful...the HRC will flag this sort of article or block postings in the future. Hulk Mar 2016 #165

Hear! Hear! ReRe Mar 2016 #166

Shark Jump!!!! Darb Mar 2016 #167

Clinton/Sanders or Sanders/Clinton, I'm on board all the way. L. Coyote Mar 2016 #171

True, but she is - by far - the best within the Republican field. Not as good as Ike or even as good Vote2016 Mar 2016 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #184

+10000 heaven05 Mar 2016 #177

Deleting Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #191