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dreamnightwind

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182. Climate change puts the lie to that

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:51 AM

Mar 2016

Profits over sound local economies? No thanks. Real progressives will find ways to advocate for living wages for all, and wage scales that are protected across national boundaries whose economies and employment conditions enable labor exploitation to the locale of weakest regulation and most desperate labor pools.

If globalization was including string labor and environmental policies in its structure, we could have a different conversation. However, labor unions are local, not global, and removing soveriegn barriers to labor exploitation only serves the wealth.

All humankind will perish, not thrive, under this model of globalization. It worships one thing and one thing only: profits. Environmental consequences are considered "externalized", not part of any calculation, just something that randomlay happens, no accountability.

This is a system of madness, and the earth is heating up to disastrous effect because of it.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP

The H1-B visas have hurt people that aren't in manufacturing. n/t Skwmom Mar 2016 #1

H1-B visas are a single issue: and mostly pushed by the GOP: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #23

As a tech worker angrychair Mar 2016 #46

HRC doesn't have any plans to dramatically expand H1-B: just more Sanders lewebley3 Mar 2016 #47

I guess she evolved on this point too. rynestonecowboy Mar 2016 #55

Smart people do evolved: because times change: GOP dont' evolve lewebley3 Mar 2016 #63

Hillary doesn't evolve, she says whatever she thinks will get her more voters mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #84

She takes the position that helps the country best: She has had same principles forever lewebley3 Mar 2016 #86

Bull, she has no principles mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #128

Bwahahaah! BeanMusical Mar 2016 #137

If Hillary's positions are that of a loyal dem then the party is sicker than I thought All in it together Mar 2016 #178

Evolution on an issue Bettie Mar 2016 #173

Another great Democrat "evolved" Loki Mar 2016 #111

OK, I'll bite.. phazed0 Mar 2016 #139

This is a nice read. Loki Mar 2016 #146

No need to be nasty, Hillary Supporter... phazed0 Mar 2016 #148

78 posts Loki Mar 2016 #151

Oh great.. no rebuttal and an attack... phazed0 Mar 2016 #154

Is it standard fair to marginalize people based on their post count on DU? SFnomad Mar 2016 #186

Comparing Hillary Clinton sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #185

You dont get it, whatever she does matters not in the least at that point Baobab Mar 2016 #134

I gave you a direct quote from Hillary Clinton angrychair Mar 2016 #58

This is the year 2016: Hillary has no plans no to expand Hb lewebley3 Mar 2016 #60

I gave you proof angrychair Mar 2016 #66

A link has been provided to a video contradicting your assertion. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #115

got a link to that? Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #133

1995 General Agreement on Trade in Services Baobab Mar 2016 #135

Got a link to justify your assertion? So far it does not look like it. Keep up the propaganda! n/t xocet Mar 2016 #136

I am sure that by 2017 she will evolve on that subject. n/t whopis01 Mar 2016 #174

In 2008, one of her biggest funders was the Indian outsourcer, Toto. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #59

L1 and similar visas are the problematic ones Baobab Mar 2016 #61

Horrors! What you are describing will drastically reduce the standard of living for JDPriestly Mar 2016 #116

"disciplines on domestic regulation' Baobab Mar 2016 #123

The trade agreements are aimed to destroy our democratic institutions and our JDPriestly Mar 2016 #132

You may be not be able to handle the truth zalinda Mar 2016 #62

Now that we have video, we must deal with "Who are you going to believe... libdem4life Mar 2016 #153

Why pay workers some percentage is US prevailing wages (H1B visas) when you can Baobab Mar 2016 #68

Link? justaddh2o Mar 2016 #74

Do you have a link to Hillary stating her stance on H1-B visas. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #114

GATS "Mode Four" Baobab Mar 2016 #127

Less than 2 years ago.. OhioChick Mar 2016 #160

That Was a Good and Interesting Article From Computerworld gordyfl Mar 2016 #119

The Clintons' history suggest otherwise. For your viewing pleasure Skwmom Mar 2016 #94

Wow way to deflect TheFarseer Mar 2016 #145

Outsourcing has too. When your phone rings and someone in the Philppines in on the other JDPriestly Mar 2016 #112

I always enjoy talking to "Bob" in India or the LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #143

H1B visas have been terrible for IT people. greymouse Mar 2016 #170

Her saying that $12/hr min. wage was good enough... RepubliCON-Watch Mar 2016 #2

The thing is she has set he goal for $12 but what will be end up settling for? LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #18

precisely Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #169

Kasick said $8.10 fun n serious Mar 2016 #26

$12 in Podunk USA, more elsewhere. Sanders wouldn't do any better. Hoyt Mar 2016 #27

We will have $15 minimum wage in Los Angeles in just a few years. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #118

And you'd have the same under Clinton due to cost of living adjustments to base of $12. Hoyt Mar 2016 #121

Possibly. But probably not. That's just a guess. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #129

I don't dispute that, but $15 has no chance passing with this Congress. Hoyt Mar 2016 #140

I'm not so sure Clinton will increase it at all. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #147

at least Sanders would try greymouse Mar 2016 #172

Hey it's pragmatic Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #168

maddening, isn't it? yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #3

People must care about her, she's ahead in... dubyadiprecession Mar 2016 #4

Lots of Republicans vote against their interests too Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #6

Voting against one's own best interests is LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #97

Your favorite group is Sanders, huh? Interesting. nt LiberalElite Mar 2016 #13

Here, Here, Me too. If your starting a list add me. Not that I would have any reason A Simple Game Mar 2016 #91

Thanks to M$M blackout of Bernie and his message (which I bet you yourself do not know) Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #44

You might want to do a wee bit of chervilant Mar 2016 #155

True, and where you say 'some' clinton voters don't understand, elleng Mar 2016 #5

Converse: The nature of belief systems in mass publics OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #20

Her policy disregards the folks left behind in the "recovery" onecaliberal Mar 2016 #7

So true LSparkle Mar 2016 #56

Her state department helped block a minimum wage raise to $5 a day in Haiti. think Mar 2016 #8

Disaster capitalism. OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #24

Thank you for putting together all this additional information together. Appreciated! /nt think Mar 2016 #53

Here's some more stuff: OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #80

Thanks for this. I didn't know, or forgot. nt Duval Mar 2016 #35

Jesus, $5 a day! Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #162

When did Clinton say she wants people to compete for 50 cents an hour? LonePirate Mar 2016 #9

She pushed for NAFTA, and for China's entry into the WTO, and for the TPP Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #10

Corporations will move jobs with or without these deals. There is no competition involved. LonePirate Mar 2016 #14

Bullshit. Tariffs are a thing. Trade policy is man-made. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #16

You're wrong to believe tariffs make up for reduced labor, supply chain and other production costs. LonePirate Mar 2016 #28

GATS Mode Four never caught on as they wanted it to, so now TiSA is in the pipeline Baobab Mar 2016 #71

When I grew up there were certain vegetables and fruits... Paka Mar 2016 #141

Its all about free trade vs fair trade. It has never been fair trade. there needs to be a new law litlbilly Mar 2016 #32

Agree. ananda Mar 2016 #69

Corporations will move jobs, but if we did not have the trade agreements, we would not JDPriestly Mar 2016 #124

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #183

Wow. Hyperbole... chervilant Mar 2016 #156

Ask the OP. He's the one who said US workers were going after 50 cents and hour wages. LonePirate Mar 2016 #157

Lie... chervilant Mar 2016 #158

Take it up with the OP. He's the one who posted that nonsense. LonePirate Mar 2016 #159

See this: Carrier Workers See Costs, Not Benefits, of Global Trade. elleng Mar 2016 #11

Thank you for posting Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #12

She served on the Board of WalMart. How's that work out for the workers? The owners? jalan48 Mar 2016 #15

Crushing unions usually favors owners Nickel79 Mar 2016 #31

Neoliberal Hillary! mckara Mar 2016 #17

Hillary has worked as progressive all her life lewebley3 Mar 2016 #22

No, she hasn't. Here are just a few examples: Nickel79 Mar 2016 #37

You missed one.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #113

Weird Springslips Mar 2016 #130

Sorry, no cigar.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #131

Paychecks issued by Wall Street. dchill Mar 2016 #40

No, Hillary pay check has come mostly from the public ser: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #41

Enjoy your hysterical blindness. dchill Mar 2016 #42

You are a blind ideologue: and Ideologues should never be in power: lewebley3 Mar 2016 #79

I AM an ideologue... dchill Mar 2016 #81

Yes your are: Its your way or the highway on Hillary and Dem's lewebley3 Mar 2016 #82

Check your mirror. dchill Mar 2016 #83

That's correct. rynestonecowboy Mar 2016 #64

Oh Please!!!! INdemo Mar 2016 #57

That's a Good One mckara Mar 2016 #75

Amen brother. Phlem Mar 2016 #19

This post is just more Sanders propaganda: Hillary has worked for poor American's all her life lewebley3 Mar 2016 #21

Sure she has! Nickel79 Mar 2016 #30

The GOP outsource jobs: The Clinton's created 22m new jobs: 7.4m pulled lewebley3 Mar 2016 #39

False. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #49

No, that is not true: Manfuacturing jobs went up under the Clintons lewebley3 Mar 2016 #50

Blatantly false, and you've failed to prove a single claim in this thread. n/t Nickel79 Mar 2016 #52

You know, it's gets old listening to you people ... you are wrong. SFnomad Mar 2016 #161

And then they signed NAFTA into law... DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #179

Again, "you people" make blanket statements with no evidence Nickel79 Mar 2016 #180

I don't care how you want to spin it SFnomad Mar 2016 #181

Clinton's policies and trade agreements were disastrous for this country Nickel79 Mar 2016 #188

The only spin is coming from you SFnomad Mar 2016 #190

Bill Clinton got lucky zalinda Mar 2016 #65

No luck involved: The Clinton budget of 1993 was passed without 1 GOP vote lewebley3 Mar 2016 #73

Wow, I want what you've been smoking! zalinda Mar 2016 #76

Wrong: the Strengthening of Reaganomics was under Bush: That is why Obama lewebley3 Mar 2016 #85

That must be some strong stuff you've been using. zalinda Mar 2016 #88

+1 Paka Mar 2016 #142

absolutely delusional noiretextatique Mar 2016 #176

You mean this kind of Crash the Economy? DhhD Mar 2016 #87

Thanks for the great post, Cheese. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #25

I agree. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #29

Jury results on OP Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #33

I agree with juror #1 ejbr Mar 2016 #43

So Hillary's fascists tried to silence another voice? Nickel79 Mar 2016 #51

You can't post anything on DU anymore that's LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #98

Not only that, but the Hillery hit squad..... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #120

So in short, they respect democracy as much as the queen... Nickel79 Mar 2016 #189

yes, it is a class war grasswire Mar 2016 #34

K&R. dchill Mar 2016 #36

Fucking A !!!!! SamKnause Mar 2016 #38

Clinton has said the TPP is "the gold standard." Tragl1 Mar 2016 #45

But we must be able to compete with the rest of the world 4dsc Mar 2016 #48

Because by and large, they aren't very bright. n/t Nickel79 Mar 2016 #54

As already stated...she says you aren't worth $15/ hour...only $12. SoapBox Mar 2016 #67

$15 per hour would be a reasonable raise for me and I could really use it! Skeeter Barnes Mar 2016 #77

Racing the American middle and working classes to the bottom. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #70

$250k per hour is fine for Hill and Bill. $600k per year is fine for Chelsea. $15 per hour Skeeter Barnes Mar 2016 #72

Some people will slam me, I know. But I think HRC is going to have a tough time going RKP5637 Mar 2016 #78

Bernie isn't doing too well against HRC... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #90

Yep, same thoughts here too! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #99

She'd be on the defensive the entire campaign. LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #100

The DNC and DWS are in for a rude awaking in the 2016 GE. Millions of voters are PO'ed with the RKP5637 Mar 2016 #105

one additional thing... Locrian Mar 2016 #89

this was Gordon Gekko's point--that raiding is not sustainable because it doesn't produce MisterP Mar 2016 #149

This is Globalization vs Protectionism apnu Mar 2016 #92

Good observation.... and as a... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #117

Climate change puts the lie to that dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #182

Globalization is the only way to combat global climate change.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #187

Vote Bernie2016 and remove your debt-slave collar. /nt SDjack Mar 2016 #93

Listening to Hillary, it's clear she thinks our wages are too high... whereisjustice Mar 2016 #95

Only time she mentions our rights is during primary campaigning. senz Mar 2016 #96

Frankly, this line of nonsense is getting sillier by the hour. If one were to spend an hour.,, NNadir Mar 2016 #101

It is a class war. Clinton has us shooting at each other. Everywhere she whereisjustice Mar 2016 #102

When I read this kind of crap from someone with less than 3000 posts... NNadir Mar 2016 #126

It is a class war. Clinton has us shooting at each other. Everywhere she DJ13 Mar 2016 #144

Don't pull that Eugene McCarthy crap on me... whereisjustice Mar 2016 #152

although I wish Obama had deleted Reagan's old min wage BS configuration PatrynXX Mar 2016 #103

Clearly those workers should pay $60,000 for degree in tech whereisjustice Mar 2016 #104

gonna have to tamp down on the Socialist Progressives Group cuz it's getting seen in Greatest List tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #106

It's my fault Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #107

okay then tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #109

Sorry I call foul. redstatebluegirl Mar 2016 #108

K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #110

Of course she is. How could anybody who is paying attention not know this already? debunction.junction Mar 2016 #122

"She doesn't care about me, and I don't care about her." debunction.junction Mar 2016 #125

Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #138

The super wealthy, like the Clintons, Thespian2 Mar 2016 #150

So it was only the "privileged people" that got the jobs in the Clinton years? Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2016 #163

I have an observation on those "50 cent an hour" jobs, & a question. CaptainTruth Mar 2016 #164

careful...the HRC will flag this sort of article or block postings in the future. Hulk Mar 2016 #165

Hear! Hear! ReRe Mar 2016 #166

Shark Jump!!!! Darb Mar 2016 #167

Clinton/Sanders or Sanders/Clinton, I'm on board all the way. L. Coyote Mar 2016 #171

True, but she is - by far - the best within the Republican field. Not as good as Ike or even as good Vote2016 Mar 2016 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #184

+10000 heaven05 Mar 2016 #177

Deleting Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #191