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paleotn

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68. Thanks for posting this. Very interesting stuff....

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 08:17 PM

Nov 2015

....Given our culture's focus on individualism, I'd say both are correct, but at different points in time. It's a take on the old adage of a frog in a pot. Huxley to lull us into the present stupor. Once it's perceived as impossible to make a significant change in trajectory, the gloves come off. Authoritarians will be authoritarians after all. They enjoy brutal suppression and grow weary of of the present velvet gloves.

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Huxley vs Orwell who got it right? Comix [View all] Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 OP

what about - they're both right? we exist in a putrid stew of the two tk2kewl Nov 2015 #1

I vote they were both correct. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #32

Me too. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #35

Yep, we have elements of both. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #65

I agree. cprise Nov 2015 #69

Totally agree! SkyDaddy7 Nov 2015 #73

I don't think there's an 'or'. I think they were both right. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #2

+ 1 for comment and plus +1000 for Bernie n/t ejbr Nov 2015 #57

Examples of the Orwell elements... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #66

Both describe the New Normal. 1984 for the poor, BNW for the leveymg Nov 2015 #3

if this is something you're inclined to dig into, this is a great essay nashville_brook Nov 2015 #4

And this is a great line: CanSocDem Nov 2015 #7

Boy, does that nail it to the wall!?!! lastlib Nov 2015 #10

Post # 7 NewtonO Nov 2015 #60

Giroux's writing Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #19

His is the clearest thinking hifiguy Nov 2015 #71

When you read Henry Giroux you see that Orwellians are jwirr Nov 2015 #21

that is a damn good point. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #40

And much of it is hidden behind Huxley. So many are so jwirr Nov 2015 #42

i have a physical reaction to the TV being on nashville_brook Nov 2015 #46

I have a huge tv screen in my room (where I live in grandson's jwirr Nov 2015 #47

we are the same way. Chris Hayes, Rachel, debates nashville_brook Nov 2015 #49

I think the difference between trash tv and recreational tv jwirr Nov 2015 #51

Damn that was interesting. zeemike Nov 2015 #22

thanks for this, k and r for the whoe discussion. bbgrunt Nov 2015 #34

That should be banned. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #36

i'm surprised it hasn't been already. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #41

Hillary goodness is a soothing balm to my soul. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #45

one thing I do is collect dystopias, so I can get into the "genealogy" of both MisterP Nov 2015 #62

this is a real eye-opener about orwell nashville_brook Nov 2015 #74

it was an extension of his "anti-totalitarianism"--which of course is what McCarthyism MisterP Nov 2015 #83

Thanks for this... haikugal Nov 2015 #77

Thought provoking. Thanks ! . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #5

Both are right, 1984 is not really speculative fiction, it is allegorical reporting on 1948 and Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #6

Huxley's "Island" stresses the importance "paying attention" Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #27

very interesting comparison here. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #8

Answer c JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #9

I was in high school when I wrote an essay comparing and contrasting these Nay Nov 2015 #15

Neil Postman is thought provoking lostnfound Nov 2015 #11

and "Amusing ourselves to death" Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #44

Huxley's truth is primordial; Orwell's truth exploits and builds on it, imo. Joe Chi Minh Nov 2015 #12

Thanks for this post and BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #13

both not mutually exclusive..curse you for making me think today dembotoz Nov 2015 #14

seems like we got the worst of both dystopian worlds Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #16

70% Huxley 30% Orwell Javaman Nov 2015 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #18

We're all Bozos on this bus! Ford_Prefect Nov 2015 #20

The mural is fractal. Ghost Dog Nov 2015 #30

Life is nothing Mendocino Nov 2015 #31

+1! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #37

Kick, rec, and saved. n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #23

both obviously, and for quite a while now stupidicus Nov 2015 #24

I agree PatSeg Nov 2015 #25

Yikes... SoapBox Nov 2015 #26

K&R zeemike Nov 2015 #28

K&R for the cartoon and for Post #4. Scuba Nov 2015 #29

K&R. Well said. Both were amazingly prescient. Overseas Nov 2015 #33

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #38

A very interesting discussion but... Nitram Nov 2015 #39

I agree - TBF Nov 2015 #58

Meat and Potatoes shadowmayor Nov 2015 #43

Frederic Pohl malthaussen Nov 2015 #48

totally checking this out! nashville_brook Nov 2015 #50

Another excellent dystopian novel was... Nitram Nov 2015 #78

Ah, the question that will not die: Huxley or Orwell? The correct answer is Burgess. nt merrily Nov 2015 #52

Burgess Meredith: "Women weaken legs!" tclambert Nov 2015 #53

I was going to finish reading your post, bvar22 Nov 2015 #54

Fascinating read Dr. Xavier Nov 2015 #55

Thanks for this... Thespian2 Nov 2015 #56

Interesting underpants Nov 2015 #59

I think this would make a fascinating documentary Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #61

Bradbury and Fahrenheit 451 are often forgotten in these comparisons, and he was just as prescient. rwsanders Nov 2015 #63

Although Fahrenheit 451 written in 1952 is a great piece of literature Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #64

I didn't realize there was a relationship between Huxley and Orwell, but... rwsanders Nov 2015 #75

Dick had the most briliantly paranoid and dystopian imagination of any SF writer, but... Nitram Nov 2015 #79

totally agree -- i take guilty pleasure in his stuff being re-imagined nashville_brook Nov 2015 #80

Yes, Dick laid the perfect foundation for some great SF movies. He was an idea man. Nitram Nov 2015 #81

What you need is a gramme of soma. Alkene Nov 2015 #67

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting stuff.... paleotn Nov 2015 #68

Thanks! maddiemom Nov 2015 #70

Two different, yet equally valid, views on totalitarianism. OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #72

Outstanding thread! CrispyQ Nov 2015 #76

I think Huxley undervalued the importance of schadenfreude. malthaussen Nov 2015 #82