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44. Turing was the one who broke the Navy's machine

Tue Jul 15, 2014, 06:03 PM

Jul 2014

I knew the Poles broke out the three-rotor Enigma, the history of the ULTRA program has filled shelves of books and they're still not talking about some of it. The German Navy used a different machine - it had four rotors that were wired differently than the three-rotor army machines, and the cipher start the Navy used was more complex - and only Turing bothered to look at it.

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Germany �may revert to typewriters� in wake of NSA spying revelations [View all] DonViejo Jul 2014 OP

Please proceed... Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #1

They would have to be able to actually listen in though cstanleytech Jul 2014 #5

There are so many ways.... Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #9

Did you know that was field tested at Disneyland? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #15

Music and window vibrators can make that challenging MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #37

Exactly right Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #46

Maybe just play "The Typewriter" by Leroy Anderson on a loop hatrack Jul 2014 #71

If its a secure building though they probably are setup with the countermeasures for lasers cstanleytech Jul 2014 #61

If they went that far, why do they need to use Selectric typewriters? Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #63

Well you cant hack into an old manual typewriter for one. cstanleytech Jul 2014 #69

That's the thing - You CAN hack into an old manual typewriter. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #70

I built one cvoogt Jul 2014 #73

Are you unfamiliar with THIS type of typewriter? WinkyDink Jul 2014 #20

Not that particular brand, no. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #21

Yes---It wasn't part of the study and is undoubtedly what the Germans are referring to: WinkyDink Jul 2014 #22

Mechanical typewriters are the easiest to interpret acoustically. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #24

Next Stop Voting Machines billhicks76 Jul 2014 #32

Does each unit need to be characterized? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #38

It depends on the technique Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #45

I get the feeling that you're scary-smart MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #53

Let's just say I've been around a while Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #54

Electrical Engineer? MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #55

It's complicated Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #56

An omnididact MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #57

I like that better than rocket scientist Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #60

I would agree. LiberalFighter Jul 2014 #40

The more personality they have, the less secure they are. Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #64

Wanna buy some carbon paper ? dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #2

Me too! lonestarnot Jul 2014 #3

Secret writing device James48 Jul 2014 #4

Oh, yeah? Well, USA USA USA will do that one better. We'll use Etch-A-Sketches. valerief Jul 2014 #6

Better yet, use a "Magic Slate"!! DinahMoeHum Jul 2014 #10

Oh, my! Much better! You must be Canadian to come up with something better. nt valerief Jul 2014 #28

So that's why Bush used one of those all the time MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #39

He spent hours trying to figure out how to turn it on. IDemo Jul 2014 #42

That's a good way to get rid of the cleaner problem, Steve Jobs should've done it jakeXT Jul 2014 #18

The joke is on them. The technology is available to listen to what you keyboard via your smart rhett o rick Jul 2014 #7

and a drone can look in the window and translate your finger movements. yurbud Jul 2014 #13

Didn't the Russians do this earlier this year? JVS Jul 2014 #8

Maybe Putin explained it again jakeXT Jul 2014 #12

Never occured to them to just NOT HAVE WEB ACCESS. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #11

how about "darknet"? yurbud Jul 2014 #14

Only if there's porn on it. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #23

Maybe Germans could make up a porn code yurbud Jul 2014 #41

Let's hope South Park isn't an indicator. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #43

It could also be a manipulated USB hardware or a monitor cable jakeXT Jul 2014 #16

The pilot of "The Lone Gunmen" had the CPU itself to the work. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #26

I remember the Octium, in real life there are rumors about Intel chips with 3g capability, in case jakeXT Jul 2014 #31

Only $20,000 apiece. Owl Jul 2014 #68

Maybe they need relaunch the dreaded enigma machines that they used in WWII srican69 Jul 2014 #17

We know exactly how to break an Enigma machine... jmowreader Jul 2014 #30

jmowreader Diclotican Jul 2014 #34

Turing was the one who broke the Navy's machine jmowreader Jul 2014 #44

I knew that ... read all about it in the fascinating book by Simon Singh ( Code Book ) srican69 Jul 2014 #51

that can only mean one thing: we've become the Cylons nashville_brook Jul 2014 #19

They've got the brains, money, and expertise to innovate their own closeupready Jul 2014 #25

Handwriting in cursive may be enough. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #27

Right. Ghost Dog Jul 2014 #58

You know manual typewriters don't have spell-check. tclambert Jul 2014 #29

tclambert Diclotican Jul 2014 #35

people are mocking this ITT pothos Jul 2014 #33

The outrage is also a nice, convenient way to deflect Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #49

i have a lovely old portable adler typeritter from the late 60's i could sell to them for a price dembotoz Jul 2014 #36

We're still going to spy on them treestar Jul 2014 #47

Uhhhmmm...don't you think we could just read their newspapers and watch their tv to find out that? ret5hd Jul 2014 #52

Yes, and I hope we do treestar Jul 2014 #59

And carrier pigeons. blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #48

Ahhh. Like this? DeSwiss Jul 2014 #66

Beware of the anti-pigeon force jakeXT Jul 2014 #74

That's fine. Fearless Jul 2014 #50

To further disguise the typewriter's actual use.... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #62

* Monk06 Jul 2014 #65

! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #67

Ahah, like in Battlestar Galactica! Helen Borg Jul 2014 #72

Then the NSA can read the ribbons. nt LiberalElite Jul 2014 #75

Time for the return of the Enigma machine! RKP5637 Jul 2014 #76