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In reply to the discussion: Nuclear watchdog agency says Iran not cooperating [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)41. Here's more from that '07 NYT article about Israel's nuclear blackmail of the US
But perhaps the most interesting material in the 2007 release of materials from the Nixon library, accoording to the Times:
There is circumstantial evidence that some fissionable material available for Israels weapons development was illegally obtained from the United States about 1965, Mr. Kissinger noted in his long memorandum. He also said that one problem with trying to persuade Israel to freeze its nuclear program was that inspections would be useless, conceding that we could never cover all conceivable Israeli hiding places.
This is one program on which the Israelis have persistently deceived us, Mr. Kissinger said, and may even have stolen from us.
Although Israel has never publicly acknowledged possessing nuclear weapons, scientists and arms experts have no doubt that it has them, and the United States reluctance to pressure Israel to disarm has made America vulnerable to accusations that it has a double standard when it comes to stopping the spread of weapons in the Middle East. Mr. Kissingers memo, written barely two years after the 1967 Middle East war and while memories of the Holocaust were still vivid among the first Israelis, implicitly acknowledged Israels right to defend itself, as subsequent American administrations have done.
But Mr. Kissinger reflected at length on the quandary faced by the United States. Israel will not take us seriously on the nuclear issue unless they believe we are prepared to withhold something they very much need, he wrote, referring to a pending sale of Phantom fighter jets to Israel.
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But Avner Cohen, the author of Israel and the Bomb, (Columbia University Press, 1998) who is a senior fellow at the United States Institute of Peace, said on Wednesday that there was enough historical evidence to indicate that the president and the prime minister had reached a secret understanding on at least one issue: Israel would keep its nuclear devices out of sight and not test them, and the United States would tolerate the situation and not press Israel to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty that has been embraced by scores of countries around the world. That understanding remains to this day, Mr. Cohen said.
This is one program on which the Israelis have persistently deceived us, Mr. Kissinger said, and may even have stolen from us.
Although Israel has never publicly acknowledged possessing nuclear weapons, scientists and arms experts have no doubt that it has them, and the United States reluctance to pressure Israel to disarm has made America vulnerable to accusations that it has a double standard when it comes to stopping the spread of weapons in the Middle East. Mr. Kissingers memo, written barely two years after the 1967 Middle East war and while memories of the Holocaust were still vivid among the first Israelis, implicitly acknowledged Israels right to defend itself, as subsequent American administrations have done.
But Mr. Kissinger reflected at length on the quandary faced by the United States. Israel will not take us seriously on the nuclear issue unless they believe we are prepared to withhold something they very much need, he wrote, referring to a pending sale of Phantom fighter jets to Israel.
SNIP
But Avner Cohen, the author of Israel and the Bomb, (Columbia University Press, 1998) who is a senior fellow at the United States Institute of Peace, said on Wednesday that there was enough historical evidence to indicate that the president and the prime minister had reached a secret understanding on at least one issue: Israel would keep its nuclear devices out of sight and not test them, and the United States would tolerate the situation and not press Israel to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty that has been embraced by scores of countries around the world. That understanding remains to this day, Mr. Cohen said.
If Mr. Cohen is correct, the reason that the US hasn't pressured Israel to sign the NPT is rooted in the same nuclear blackmail.
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They can use that red herring all they want, doesn't relieve them of their duties.
Behind the Aegis
Mar 2013
#8
When the US applies sanctions on Israel to end its nuclear program, this will be the right thing
leveymg
Mar 2013
#14
Israel's nuclear bombs are outside the NPT, and the initial batch were made of plutonium stolen from
leveymg
Mar 2013
#20
I'm surprised you didn't know about the Israeli theft of plutonium from a US Navy nuclear plant,
leveymg
Mar 2013
#22
And pretty obviously untrue. If it is US plutonium, I am sure we gave it to them.
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#24
If you prefer the term, diversion of U.S. nuclear materials to Israel, that's still illegal under
leveymg
Mar 2013
#26
The US is in violation of the NPT for diversion; Israel in violation of US law for receipt
leveymg
Mar 2013
#28
You just asserted it was a theft. Now because it suits your purposes, you are saying it was transfer
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#29
If the transfer was authorized, it was diversion. If unauthorized, theft. Take your pick.
leveymg
Mar 2013
#32
Again, that analogy doesnt work. Israel never signed the NPT. If you want to assert hypocrisy your
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#34
No, not up in arms. I don't expect that Israel will be prosecuted, but I don't think sanctions on
leveymg
Mar 2013
#35
Here's more from that '07 NYT article about Israel's nuclear blackmail of the US
leveymg
Mar 2013
#41
None of that makes Kissinger's statements about the diversion untrue, nor does it change the fact
leveymg
Mar 2013
#43
No, Israel cannot be in violation of a treaty it never signed and to which it is not a party. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2013
#30
Steven, read more carefully. I said if not a theft, the transfer would be an NPT violation
leveymg
Mar 2013
#37
Well, if Iraq had actually possessed WMDs... I wouldn't have been against the war...
Comrade_McKenzie
Mar 2013
#12