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38. the conditions placed on Iran exceed their actual contractual obligations

Tue Mar 5, 2013, 12:03 PM

Mar 2013

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under the NPT. I'm no expert and haven't followed this closely in the last years, but this is what I found:

Iran does not violate the NPT Safeguards Agreement as it was agreed upon, signed and ratified, if they don't allow inspection of certain military sites.

The IAEA has always verified the non-diversion of declared nuclear material at the nuclear facilities and locations outside facilities where nuclear material is customarily used. That is the original purpose of the NPT: to enable the export of nuclear materials and facilities (Siemens export promotion in the case of Iran when the Shah didn't know what to do with all the money coming in after the first oil crisis) while making sure that none of that material is used for weapons.

However, as stated in the OP, the IAEA now bemoans not to be able to "provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities" in Iran, which supposedly is only possible, if at all, once they go further than what was agreed upon in the seventies, namely if Iran signs the so-called "Additional Protocol" which allows for things like spontaneous inspections. Apparently it was only in the early nineties that it occurred to various experts that an inventory of declared material is not enough. They were suprised that Iraq had been able to work on a secret nuclear program in the late eighties despite being a signatory to the NPT, so they conceived of additional measures to be added to existing Safeguard Agreements, lined out in the "Additional Protocol".

Some of these additional measures could be seen as intrusive, though. That's why not all states with a Safeguard Agreement have agreed to sign such an Additional Protocol, I suppose.

Iran and the bomb: The legal standards of the IAEA
IAEA SAFEGUARDS ADDITIONAL PROTOCOL
The IAEA Applies Incorrect Standards, Exceeding its Legal Mandate and Acting Ultra Vires Regarding Iran

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Damned if they do, damned if they don't Tempest Mar 2013 #1

What are the conditions placed on them? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #2

The U.S. has been moving the goal posts for years now on this issue. Tempest Mar 2013 #6

How about you explain what "conditions" that have been made that you cstanleytech Mar 2013 #10

But you mentioned "conditions." What are they? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #13

I often see the red herring used of "but Israel has nukes". cstanleytech Mar 2013 #15

well, there must be a reason why they have them reorg Mar 2013 #40

the conditions placed on Iran exceed their actual contractual obligations reorg Mar 2013 #38

Israel's nuclear program and weapons are irrelevant. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #4

From your perspective, not Iran's. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #7

They can use that red herring all they want, doesn't relieve them of their duties. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #8

When the US applies sanctions on Israel to end its nuclear program, this will be the right thing leveymg Mar 2013 #14

Red herring, not a double standard. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #18

Israel's nuclear bombs are outside the NPT, and the initial batch were made of plutonium stolen from leveymg Mar 2013 #20

Well you got one thing correct, FINALLY. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #21

I'm surprised you didn't know about the Israeli theft of plutonium from a US Navy nuclear plant, leveymg Mar 2013 #22

Oh...that explains it. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #23

And pretty obviously untrue. If it is US plutonium, I am sure we gave it to them. stevenleser Mar 2013 #24

Yup, especially given the nature of those sites. Behind the Aegis Mar 2013 #25

If you prefer the term, diversion of U.S. nuclear materials to Israel, that's still illegal under leveymg Mar 2013 #26

How can Israel be in violation leftynyc Mar 2013 #27

The US is in violation of the NPT for diversion; Israel in violation of US law for receipt leveymg Mar 2013 #28

You just asserted it was a theft. Now because it suits your purposes, you are saying it was transfer stevenleser Mar 2013 #29

If the transfer was authorized, it was diversion. If unauthorized, theft. Take your pick. leveymg Mar 2013 #32

Again, that analogy doesnt work. Israel never signed the NPT. If you want to assert hypocrisy your stevenleser Mar 2013 #34

Yawn leftynyc Mar 2013 #31

No, not up in arms. I don't expect that Israel will be prosecuted, but I don't think sanctions on leveymg Mar 2013 #35

Sorry, leftynyc Mar 2013 #36

A past President stated this. Also, read Hersh's, The Samson Option leveymg Mar 2013 #39

Here's more from that '07 NYT article about Israel's nuclear blackmail of the US leveymg Mar 2013 #41

Kissinger? That's who you want to hang leftynyc Mar 2013 #42

None of that makes Kissinger's statements about the diversion untrue, nor does it change the fact leveymg Mar 2013 #43

You are accusing Israel of leftynyc Mar 2013 #44

No, Israel cannot be in violation of a treaty it never signed and to which it is not a party. nt stevenleser Mar 2013 #30

Steven, read more carefully. I said if not a theft, the transfer would be an NPT violation leveymg Mar 2013 #37

What do many think nineteen50 Mar 2013 #3

Of course they aren't. Cough cough. Myrina Mar 2013 #5

Oh, no, that's code for "We will liberate them soon" Blandocyte Mar 2013 #9

Odd, If that was the code then we should have invaded N. Korea by now. nt cstanleytech Mar 2013 #11

Well, if Iraq had actually possessed WMDs... I wouldn't have been against the war... Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #12

You never seem to be a big fan of that freedom and democracy stuff cpwm17 Mar 2013 #16

"Nukes" are a pretext ronnie624 Mar 2013 #33

Are we sure this is LBNs? ripcord Mar 2013 #17

Video here Ash_F Mar 2013 #19