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cab67

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57. I believe Dershowitz is, first and foremost, a contrarian, but....
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 03:01 PM
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One sees contrarians across Academia. These are people who really like the attention they get by adopting a point of view that's at odds with the consensus.

Contrarians are different from crackpots and denialists. Crackpots and denialists actually believe what they say. Contrarians often don't. Or they don't care, at any rate. It's about the attention. If the consensus moves in another direction, they'll switch and adopt the position the consensus just abandoned.

Obviously, contrarians can sometimes make money by writing books or going on the lecture circuit. They might also show up as cable news talking heads. These presumably help cement a contrarian's standpoint, but it's the attention that matters. "Look at me! I'm controversial!"

That said - this stuff about a third term is plainly contrary not only to the consensus among Constitutional law scholars, but to the Constitution itself. There's no gray area. Anyone with the basic ability to read and write can see this.

I'm beginning to wonder if there's more than just contrarianism going on with him. Is it money? A desire to be close to power? Something organic? Has he switched columns from "contrarian" to "quack?" I don't know.

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In my own field, there was a small community of academics in the 1980's through early oughts we sometimes called the "Flat Earth Society." These were people who could not accept that birds are living theropod dinosaurs. They called themselves the BAND (Birds Are Not Dinosaurs).

The evidence that birds are dinosaurs is as conclusive as that showing human beings are mammals, and it hasn't been treated as controversial since around 1990, but these few dug in their heels. New evidence would be dismissed or explained away with increasingly convoluted and decreasingly parsimonious arguments, some of which crumbled when more evidence came up. When the first non-bird dinosaur with evidence for feathers was found in the mid 1990's, they argued that the feathers (which were short fibers resembling fur or down) were actually internal collagenous fibers that were exposed as the animal decayed. But then they found a non-bird theropod with actual vaned feathers - not short fuzz, but actual feathers with a rachis and barbs. The explanation? A bird had died, and then a dead dinosaur had fallen on top of it. That lasted until they found several more of the feathered non-birds. Eventually, they began to claim that these animals - animals they'd sworn up and down couldn't be related to birds - were, in fact, birds that had evolved to look just like non-bird dinosaurs.

Most BAND members were crackpots. They were true believers. But there was one whose opinions were so bizarre that we wondered if his motivations were different. He would make claims that anyone with a single class in comparative anatomy could see were silly. I once moderated a session at a professional meeting, and he was the last speaker. His words were being contradicted by his own slides. The other moderator and I sometimes glanced at each other with a look of dismay; I mean, was this dude really saying what we thought he'd said? Why didn't he just turn around and look at the bloody pictures behind him? The ones he'd set up for his talk? Did his students consider an intervention? It was madness.

Some of us suggested that people studying bird origins should spend a few months claiming that they were wrong all the time, and that birds are related to extinct crocodile relatives or some other extinct reptile, but not dinosaurs. Most of the BANDers would throw a massive "I Told You So!" party, but that one outlier would probably start insisting that birds must be dinosaurs.

This type of contrarianism, at least, was harmless. What Dershowitz sometimes does is not.

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How did Dershowitz ever pass law school, or the bar maxrandb Thursday #65
Rule of law and US constitution are just quaint relics of a bygone era. Irish_Dem Thursday #2
Partners in crime................ Lovie777 Thursday #3
Trump's health is so bad, he will not complete this term. A third term would be his rotting corpse. QueerDuck Thursday #4
And 1/3 of the country would vote for it. The Madcap Thursday #15
Many of his supporters are rotting corpses durablend Thursday #25
...or will be soon due to his policies mpcamb Thursday #66
I guess we need another amendment that specifically says, no Donald you can't Walleye Thursday #5
The 22nd Amendment, in its entirety... jmowreader Thursday #6
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It's certainly clear, cloudbase Thursday #22
That stood out to me, too... slightlv Thursday #68
It says what the Gang of Six on the Supreme Court say it says. LudwigPastorius Yesterday #72
No ambiguities with regard to election Shrek Thursday #23
This is basically how Putin overcame the clear Russian Fed term limits Prairie Gates Thursday #34
The constitutional requirements for VP are the same as for President Polybius Thursday #69
Possible wiggle room SomedayKindaLove Thursday #39
Ha, ha, I like 2) PatSeg Thursday #45
I'm not seeing the "this amendment does not apply to anyone named Donald Trump" part. Ray Bruns Thursday #24
The 22nd Amendment clearly explains why LBJ could have run for a third term in 1968 FakeNoose Thursday #27
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice" Wiz Imp Thursday #55
That final sentence... GiqueCee Thursday #61
What's so "unclear"? no_hypocrisy 16 hrs ago #78
You mean the Dershowitz who was raping girls with Epstein? UpInArms Thursday #7
he's an evil co-conspirator and needs to be in jail. He makes me want to puke LymphocyteLover Thursday #17
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Dershowitz--enough said hlthe2b Thursday #8
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"Lawyer" should be disbarred. live love laugh Thursday #10
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Trump is going to read a book?? rurallib Thursday #31
OBAMA 2028!!! Oliver Bolliver Butt Thursday #32
GREAT answer. Can you imagine THOSE debates? Callie1979 Thursday #33
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No, I don't think he will run for a third term. ... aggiesal Thursday #36
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I believe Dershowitz is, first and foremost, a contrarian, but.... cab67 Thursday #57
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Dershowitz... GiqueCee Thursday #59
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If Trump runs for a third term, we nominate Obama to run against him.. mjvpi Thursday #64
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I'm ok with that, since a Republican was elected anyway Polybius Yesterday #75
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Alan Underwearshitz dweller Yesterday #76
Cool.....let's run Obama again! OAITW r.2.0 Yesterday #77
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