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61. Biden was dead in the water after the debate.

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 09:06 PM

Sep 2025

That debate was the most the most consequential in the history of Presidential debates.

Biden should have announced after the 2022 mid-terms that he was serving only one term, and Biden’s staff and advisors should never have let it go near as far as it did. My sense it was Biden’s staff that feared losing their positions and power, and not so much Biden. If Biden didn’t run, we probably would have a Denocratic President right now.

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In new book, Kamala Harris says it was reckless to let Biden make reelection decision on his own [View all] Jose Garcia Sep 2025 OP

Some of the plan was brilliant, some of it handled very badly. Irish_Dem Sep 2025 #1

Well that's a delicate subject bucolic_frolic Sep 2025 #2

Hard to give up power Wifes husband Sep 2025 #3

Biden would have beaten Trump a second time. Giving up incumbency was not smart. Blues Heron Sep 2025 #4

The old Biden would have Polybius Sep 2025 #8

Biden was dead in the water after the debate. Du916 Sep 2025 #61

Now imagine if he stood in the race and there was a second debate that was similar to the first Polybius Sep 2025 #62

Yes. That debate was predictable by 2022. We all knew it could happen. thought crime Sep 2025 #64

That's seriously debatable Oeditpus Rex Sep 2025 #12

It cost him INDEPENDENT votes in SWING STATES N/T TexasBushwhacker Sep 2025 #42

14 percent of Biden voters in 2020 Oeditpus Rex Sep 2025 #55

I agree Deminpenn Sep 2025 #65

He dropped out after his staff finally told him how badly he was polling Jose Garcia Sep 2025 #19

Nominating the incumbent is usually a no brainer, but... LudwigPastorius Sep 2025 #35

Well, the enemy camp has one who'll get there during THIS four-year term. calimary Sep 2025 #41

'Biden Old & Demented' was 99% swiftboating/projectiom from the Trump campaign. emulatorloo Sep 2025 #47

I agree entirely. Joe made many good decisions in office. Raven123 Sep 2025 #48

I really think he would have lost. NH Ethylene Sep 2025 #49

He should have resigned mid point of his term and this would Autumn Sep 2025 #5

Seriously? ihaveaquestion Sep 2025 #21

Yes I'm serious. Which part did you not understand? Autumn Sep 2025 #43

What I understand is that this is some sort of fantasmic wishful thinking. ihaveaquestion Sep 2025 #45

So what. It's a discussion board and I made a comment. Autumn Sep 2025 #46

Are you sure you want discussion of your comments? Doesn't seem like you can deal with it. ihaveaquestion Sep 2025 #50

I can deal with what I posted just fine. I didn't address my comment to you, I owe you Autumn Sep 2025 #54

I think that is a reasonable premise. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #59

The Atlantic has a large excerpt from 107 Days. The link is provided. 24601 Sep 2025 #6

"If you love the United States enough..." Martin Eden Sep 2025 #17

You're right - poor off the cuff wording on my part. n/t 24601 Sep 2025 #23

Or at least preface it with BaronChocula Sep 2025 #36

So Rare the Truth Akakoji Sep 2025 #7

OMG! Clouds Passing Sep 2025 #9

Yes and I find it very disturbing PatSeg Sep 2025 #14

Where does the buck stop? Martin Eden Sep 2025 #20

It was his decision. We can't assume it was anyone else's and take away his agency. ihaveaquestion Sep 2025 #22

It's sickening. God it's so hard to find a Democrat who isn't madibella Sep 2025 #56

Maybe ... however I still say that the US isn't ready for a black woman President FakeNoose Sep 2025 #10

She has already said she won't run for Gov of CA Bengus81 Sep 2025 #11

The U.S. still isn't ready for a woman president, period Oeditpus Rex Sep 2025 #15

Yes ... sadly ... this is also my conclusion FakeNoose Sep 2025 #16

Clinton received nearly 3M more votes in 2016 than the NAZI that lords over the US and 2.1% more votes Bengus81 Sep 2025 #25

That's a separate issue iemanja Sep 2025 #18

She had a lot of praise for Joe. The Dems lost. They weren't prepared. Let's stick together. twodogsbarking Sep 2025 #13

I don't think this public soul searching is a great thing. LisaM Sep 2025 #24

I hear you. I can't with this right now, during a 12-alarm fire Alice B. Sep 2025 #29

Kamala was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Talitha Sep 2025 #26

To your wondering Talitha.... RiverStone Sep 2025 #31

Below, what I concluded also, plus the rest of that which you expressed... sprinkleeninow Sep 2025 #39

Woulda' Coulda' Shoulda' FalloutShelter Sep 2025 #27

Hate me if you want to but I would go further genxlib Sep 2025 #28

Joe was the right choice in 2020 AdamGG Sep 2025 #33

Hate me even more LiberalLovinLug Sep 2025 #37

I wanted Bloomberg in 2020 Polybius Sep 2025 #52

SO... Mike Nelson Sep 2025 #30

Kamala did a superb job of mounting a campaign on short notice, but... AdamGG Sep 2025 #32

My view is that VP Harris would have been an outstanding President... NNadir Sep 2025 #34

I agree PatSeg Sep 2025 #40

It was a terribly challenging place to be in history BaronChocula Sep 2025 #38

While I don't disagree with her, Elessar Zappa Sep 2025 #44

I agree with you...maybe today's current events will take the attention away from her book mtngirl47 Sep 2025 #51

Not interested kacekwl Sep 2025 #53

One of these days, I'm not going to write a book. usonian Sep 2025 #57

Couldn't Harris have rendered some kind of opinion to Biden back in June 2023? Old Testament Libera Sep 2025 #58

Help me out, my memory isn't what it used to be. Chemical Bill Sep 2025 #60

So help me out here BlueSpot Sep 2025 #63

Losing candidates need to point the finger at themselves, not Deminpenn Sep 2025 #66