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36. Probably the only reason he's being charged for murder by the feds is fear that New York's case may fall apart.

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:09 PM

Dec 20

Under New York's law he only qualifies for second degree murder, which means only 15-25 years. So, New York added terrorism to increase the charge to 1st degree, so that he could get life sentence. But he isn't guilty of terrorism in the strict sense. So there is a chance the New York case could fall apart.

New York's law is kinda weird, but they removed the term pre-mediated from their first degree murder laws and replaced it with a bunch of conditions. Killing of LE, first responder, judge or via rape, mutilation, torture or terrorism are what qualify for first degree in New York.

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U.S. Files Murder Charge Against Mangione That Could Bring Death Penalty [View all] The Grand Illuminist Dec 19 OP

When they find him guilty and sentence him to death, it will be to make an example of him. n/t Dennis Donovan Dec 19 #1

That might be the point but it won't work. If it were a deterrent, TX would be free of murders ages ago. paleotn Dec 19 #2

The death penalty as a strategy to reduce crime has been abject failure here in the United States: marble falls Dec 20 #29

Actually, it would be a message Dan Dec 19 #11

A jury has to go along with it iemanja Dec 20 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Dennis Donovan Dec 20 #16

I didn't read that poster's meaning that way. yardwork Dec 20 #18

I could've read it wrong. Dennis Donovan Dec 20 #22

Just because charges are death penalty eligible that doesn't mean they will pursue it. LeftInTX Dec 20 #25

If Luigi were tRump those charges would be dismissed nt yaesu Dec 19 #3

Yeppers. With the excuse "I thought I was on 5th Avenue." GreenWave Dec 19 #7

I needed that chuckle! Thanks. yardwork Dec 20 #19

😹 good one Meowmee Dec 21 #38

My understanding is that NY State doesnt have a death penalty 70sEraVet Dec 19 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author The Grand Illuminist Dec 19 #5

Since NY brought terror charges The Grand Illuminist Dec 19 #8

The Boston Marathon bomber received the death sentence Tanuki Dec 19 #10

The headline is over blown. All federal first degree murder charges are death penalty eligible. LeftInTX Dec 20 #27

Not surprised - he allegedly attacked Capital. TBF Dec 19 #6

Joe should pardon him on 1-19-25. Tarc Dec 19 #9

His own Justice Department is charging him Polybius Dec 20 #24

Why? How is this murder so different from others? Figarosmom Dec 20 #12

It's a transparent attempt at intimidation and shutting down dissent towards the status quo. Karasu Dec 20 #15

The feds aren't charging him with terrorism. New York state is. The feds are charging him with stalking. LeftInTX Dec 20 #23

Post removed Post removed Dec 20 #13

Well, then. Aren't you the rabble rouser. Scrivener7 Dec 20 #17

Was that DU's pet troll? yardwork Dec 20 #20

No. I think it might have been a different one. Scrivener7 Dec 20 #26

It is no different when the State pulls the trigger, metaphorically sarisataka Dec 20 #21

The guy was brazen and unflappable bucolic_frolic Dec 20 #28

John Lennon's killer didn't get the death penalty. Omnipresent Dec 20 #30

I remember that awful night. I couldn't believe my ears when Howard Cosell announced the news on MNF. Great point. C0RI0LANUS Dec 20 #32

Chapman is mentally ill and he was charged by the state of New York. John Hinckley didn't get the DP either. LeftInTX Dec 20 #34

The American Establishment Won't Tolerate Attacks Against Capitalism C0RI0LANUS Dec 20 #31

He has only been indicted on first degree murder. LeftInTX Dec 20 #33

Thanks, LeftInTX. C0RI0LANUS Dec 20 #35

Probably the only reason he's being charged for murder by the feds is fear that New York's case may fall apart. LeftInTX Dec 20 #36

Thank you for clearing that up, LeftInTX. The laws seem to get murky and unclear at times. C0RI0LANUS Dec 20 #37