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In reply to the discussion: Putin says Russia is ready to compromise with Trump on Ukraine war [View all]Emrys
(8,117 posts)25. The last time Wargamer posted that poll,
I pointed out that the poll had been posted on DU before, the headline was misleading, and asked him what percentage said they'd be willing to give up territory in such negotiations. He didn't reply, so here's my answer a few weeks ago:
Considerably fewer want to cede territory in exchange for a settlement
This is where Gallup's figures get a bit convoluted, even if we accept their methodology in a country at war.
For instance, if you read the small print, they've combined findings from polls in 2022 and 2024 to come up with their figures because their n would have been too small otherwise. And they also imply polling was done by mobile phone and that done in 2023 and 2024 excluded 10-12% of even that sample. I probably don't need to go into how that might skew results.
The poll claims 52% of Ukrainians want a negotiated peace "as soon as possible". What's "possible" is incredibly vague as a measure for a start, but we'll press on. I mean, what were respondents supposed to say in response to such a loaded simplistic question? "No, I don't want to see the war end as soon as possible." Nevertheless, a fair proportion apparently did just that.
They then claim that 52% of that 52% subgroup would be open to making "some territorial concessions", and admit they left the degree of concessions deliberately vague. But 81% of the smaller 38% subgroup who want Ukraine to carry on fighting apparently now still want all territory lost between 2014 and now to be regained, including Crimea.
Finally, even within the flawed premises of this polling, they find that Ukrainians would prefer negotiations to have the roles of European partners predominating rather than the US.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19756427
This is where Gallup's figures get a bit convoluted, even if we accept their methodology in a country at war.
For instance, if you read the small print, they've combined findings from polls in 2022 and 2024 to come up with their figures because their n would have been too small otherwise. And they also imply polling was done by mobile phone and that done in 2023 and 2024 excluded 10-12% of even that sample. I probably don't need to go into how that might skew results.
The poll claims 52% of Ukrainians want a negotiated peace "as soon as possible". What's "possible" is incredibly vague as a measure for a start, but we'll press on. I mean, what were respondents supposed to say in response to such a loaded simplistic question? "No, I don't want to see the war end as soon as possible." Nevertheless, a fair proportion apparently did just that.
They then claim that 52% of that 52% subgroup would be open to making "some territorial concessions", and admit they left the degree of concessions deliberately vague. But 81% of the smaller 38% subgroup who want Ukraine to carry on fighting apparently now still want all territory lost between 2014 and now to be regained, including Crimea.
Finally, even within the flawed premises of this polling, they find that Ukrainians would prefer negotiations to have the roles of European partners predominating rather than the US.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19756427
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Putin says Russia is ready to compromise with Trump on Ukraine war [View all]
HereForTheParty
Dec 19
OP
I want a really big raise at work. My daughter just got accepted to college. I'm ready to compromise with her.
unblock
Dec 19
#2
You could see this coming a mile away. "A Great Victory" probably meaning forced capitulation
walkingman
Dec 19
#3
Is it possible Ukraine continues to fight without the US, but with help from
HereForTheParty
Dec 19
#5
Ain't happening! EU and EU NATO nations say they are ready to step up armaments needed for Ukraine, and
PortTack
Dec 19
#14
PUTIN LIES. PUTIN IS NOW READY FOR TRUMP CAPITULATION TO "DO WHATEVER THE HELL HE WANTS."
ancianita
Dec 19
#4
Ike, FDR, Kennedy, Churchill, Reagan, and even Nixon are spinning in their graves.
Botany
Dec 19
#15
You know, Ukrainians might just have something to say about a land-for-peace deal that gives away...
LudwigPastorius
Dec 19
#18
I guess they realize they can't continue without U.S. support, and that...
LudwigPastorius
Dec 19
#21
Only about 50% of those in favour of negotiation are willing to accept making some territorial concessions
Kaleva
Dec 20
#41
If I rob a bank, do I get to negotiate with the bank to keep most of the money?
Irish_Dem
Dec 19
#19