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Wiz Imp

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28. He's actually right on this issue (but not for the right reason).
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:37 PM
Dec 19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_debt_ceiling

There is a debate among legal scholars regarding the constitutionality of the debt ceiling. Some scholars argue that the debt ceiling does not provide the legal authority for the United States to default on its debt. Some also argue that the debt ceiling itself is unconstitutional since it does not provide a clear mechanism for the government to meet its constitutional obligation to repay its debts once it meets the borrowing limit.

The apparent redundancy of the debt ceiling has led to suggestions that it should be abolished altogether. Several Democratic House members, including Peter Welch, proposed abolishing the debt ceiling. The proposal found support from some economists such as Jacob Funk Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.

In January 2013, a survey of 38 highly regarded economists found that 84 percent agreed that, since Congress already approves spending and taxation, "a separate debt ceiling that has to be increased periodically creates unneeded uncertainty and can potentially lead to worse fiscal outcomes." Only one member of the panel, Luigi Zingales, disagreed with the statement. Rating agency Moody's has stated that "the debt limit creates a high level of uncertainty" and that the government should change "its framework for managing government debt to lessen or eliminate that uncertainty".

Proponents of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), a heterodox, post-Keynesian economic theory which arose in the late 20th century, have critiqued the concept of the debt ceiling and its theoretical and practical uses. A core tenet of MMT is that currency arose from and is wholly controlled as fiat money by governments, the latter claim is dependent on the government as the sovereign issuer of the given currency. As of 2019, MMT theorists believed that governments have the power to create and spend money within a limit of reason without creating hyperinflation, as well as the ability to forgive its debt or repay itself; in contrast, as of 2020, orthodox economic theorists tended to focus on national deficit as a debt that needs to be repaid eventually. As a result, MMT theorists argue the debt ceiling is largely a symbolic limit on government spending; in 2020 Stephanie Kelton, a prominent supporter of MMT, wrote that "there are no constraints on the federal budget."

After the turn of the 20th century, and particularly during and since the Great Recession (2007-2009) political landscape, MMT has been the subject of political debate between post-Keynesian, mainstream, and free-market economic theorists and politicians alike. As of 2019, MMT debates on the debt ceiling have pervaded Congress, with progressive representatives, prominently Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, boosting the theory to the mainstream, while conservative representatives have been critiquing MMT's potential impacts on government spending and inflation.

Early in 2023, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was supportive of legislation to abolish the debt limit, while President Biden was not; however, by June he had signed into law the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023 suspending the debt ceiling.

Of course Trump wants it raised or eliminated now so he can say debt was allowed to explode by Democrats. But that is what he wants to do - explode the debt further through tax cuts for billionaires. Despite Trump's nefarious intentions, the debt ceiling should never have existed and is possibly even unconstitutional so getting rid of it would be a good thing. It will no longer hamper future Democratic administrations like it did Obama & Biden.

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... Trump said getting rid of the debt ceiling entirely would be the "smartest thing it [Congress] could do. republianmushroom Dec 19 #1
Ghee I wonder if Trump is going to run up Johonny Dec 19 #2
its called The Two Santas Strategy: yaesu Dec 19 #17
So that the billionaires can steal more money....,, Lovie777 Dec 19 #3
Really Trump?? Did you clear this with incoming President Musk? Bengus81 Dec 19 #4
I agree, gab13by13 Dec 19 #5
Remember when Republicans were all up in arms to reduce deficit spending? WestMichRad Dec 19 #6
Remember when Republicans would destroy you for associating with a commie? Bengus81 Dec 19 #9
Abolish the sweetheart taxes breaks on the wealthy instead until we see the number of middle class triple? cstanleytech Dec 19 #7
If there's no debt ceiling, why do we need DOGE to rein in the debt? bucolic_frolic Dec 19 #8
We don't, boonecreek Dec 19 #12
I think Democrats have called for this for years. In fact, Sen Warren is "supporting" trump today. Silent Type Dec 19 #10
Trump only wants to eliminate it so he can blame democrats and give tax cuts to the rich when he takes office Galraedia Dec 19 #16
They should do it under trumps watch. FloridaBlues Dec 19 #11
Add that to the list of stuff Trump wants to do "on day one". patphil Dec 19 #13
He wants democrats and Joe Biden to increase it so he can give more tax cuts to the rich when he takes office. Galraedia Dec 19 #14
That is a prerequisite to emptying the treasury into billionaires' pockets. CousinIT Dec 19 #15
Yeah, right now it's a "Steal Ceiling" Turbineguy Dec 19 #18
Raising the debt ceiling so the billionaires can have their petty tax cuts vapor2 Dec 19 #19
Broken clock is right. Gore1FL Dec 19 #20
Lots of support for it last year including Laurence Tribe MichMan Dec 19 #21
The shift is interesting. Even Sen Warren agrees with trump on this one. Silent Type Dec 19 #23
Yeah, to pay for unnecessary tax cuts IronLionZion Dec 19 #22
Why Trump is suddenly fixated on getting rid of the debt ceiling LetMyPeopleVote Dec 19 #24
Merick Garland ..... Hotler Dec 19 #25
Actually, the debt ceiling requirement is redundant and nonsensical. surfered Dec 19 #26
And that's how Trump went bankrupt so many times. C_U_L8R Dec 19 #27
He's actually right on this issue (but not for the right reason). Wiz Imp Dec 19 #28
Always the attention whore. This really shouldn't be in the news. TSF not in office, he's just a convicted felon raccoon Dec 21 #29
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