Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

BumRushDaShow

(146,236 posts)
34. You truly are lazy
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 08:29 PM
Dec 19

You won't even bother looking something up. The internet is an amazing thing. The joke is on you.

Here is something to get you started (from my own state's (PA) page on it - https://www.pa.gov/agencies/dli/resources/for-claimants-workers/social-security-for-public-employees.html

Social Security Act Overview

When initially enacted in 1935, the Social Security Act (Act) did not include public employees as eligible for Social Security because of the constitutional question regarding the power of the federal government to tax state and local governments.

Since 1950, state and local employers have been able to offer Social Security coverage to their employees under an agreement between the commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the Social Security Administration (SSA), known as a Section 218 Agreement.

Section 218 of the Act permits a state to participate in Social Security coverage for its employees or employees of political subdivisions within the state. Many government employers did not have their own retirement systems. In 1950, the United States Congress amended the Act to allow states to voluntarily enter into agreements with SSA, on behalf of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Each state designated an official to administer the agreement on behalf of the state. This official is referred to as the State Social Security Administrator. In 1952, the Pennsylvania Department of Labor & Industry was designated by the Governor to administer the Amendments to the Act which permitted public employers to voluntarily provide their employees with Social Security coverage.


The above tells you what the law WAS back when it was first passed and why there is this disparity. So get those broken fingers moving.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Is this not "double-dipping"? If this hastens the SS cuts projected in 2033 - then do something to fix that! walkingman Dec 18 #1
It does move up the date that Soc Security would be unable to pay full benefits. CousinIT Dec 18 #2
As usual, a stupid move by excluding some jobs from paying into SS. Simple solution - everyone pays FICA taxes. walkingman Dec 18 #3
This generally covers people who worked at a job where they paid into SS and were fully vested BumRushDaShow Dec 18 #4
OK - that makes sense. But would it be the equiv of someone that paid into SS the entire 35 years? walkingman Dec 18 #7
SS has all kinds of formulas to calculate what the final check will be BumRushDaShow Dec 18 #10
If you mean their soc sec taxes remain in the portion of soc sec that's invested in treasury Deminpenn Dec 18 #12
Yes - that remains under the control of the Treasury BumRushDaShow Dec 18 #14
And most people are ignorant of the fact that small business owners pay both parts of this contribution. Hope22 Dec 19 #21
And the "entitlement" moniker BumRushDaShow Dec 19 #22
Only three states take unemployment out of employee paychecks. Arrgh Dec 19 #23
There is a federal law that gives guidance BumRushDaShow Dec 19 #24
There are 14 states that have SS benefits "offset" for the last 20 plus years. Huge reduction in what you worked for. Evolve Dammit Dec 18 #5
"Windfall Profits Elimination" I believe was the title of the enabled act. Evolve Dammit Dec 18 #6
It was W.E.P. Joe Nation Dec 18 #17
I lost over 2/3. Of the 14 states that are affected, there are some big ones like CA, so it will probably never change. Evolve Dammit Dec 19 #25
My father knew he was " signing away" MotownPgh Dec 19 #29
Can You answer the above question - or than what you would have gotten if you paid your entire career into SS walkingman Dec 18 #8
worked 10 years in "private sector" and went to a State government job for 33 years? Clarify your question Evolve Dammit Dec 18 #9
Sure - it might be impossible to know, but I wonder if you had paid into SS your entire 43 years walkingman Dec 18 #11
I only want what I paid in for ten years. The offset is denying those SS earned credits. Evolve Dammit Dec 18 #15
Thank Gawd! Jacson6 Dec 18 #13
Someone who is affected by this Petsyrah Dec 18 #16
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Dec 19 #33
Thank you Petsyrah Dec 21 #35
The way it worked in my state Joe Nation Dec 18 #18
Does anyone know if the bill is retroactive? Joe Nation Dec 18 #19
Retro to 12/2023 Petsyrah Dec 18 #20
WEP Repeal rso Dec 19 #26
IMO, no job should be exempted from paying into SS MichMan Dec 19 #27
Well back in 1986, a law was passed that put the feds under Social Security BumRushDaShow Dec 19 #28
So no state and local government employees are exempted either? MichMan Dec 19 #30
It depends on the state BumRushDaShow Dec 19 #31
Thanks for the answer MichMan Dec 19 #32
You truly are lazy BumRushDaShow Dec 19 #34
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Social Security Fairness ...»Reply #34