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BumRushDaShow

(142,241 posts)
59. Let's start over
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:30 PM
Nov 13

Based on the cited section of Article I Sect. 5 of the Constitution, BOTH chambers are considered recessed if they are not in session for more than 3 days and if they plan on that happening, they need to "coordinate" that.

This wasn't normally an issue because by and large, they weren't in as combative of times in previous years until after the Gingrich takeover and stolen election of 2000.

So when after Shrub "recess-appointed Bolton" (see this - https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna8758621 and also this as a good discussion about the issue via an interview - https://www.npr.org/2005/08/02/4781459/the-expanding-power-of-a-recess-appointment), Democrats lit the place up. And per that last linked article, Republicans had been similarly pissed when Clinton had done similar when he was in office.

So both parties made a decision to do away with the ability for a President to go around the Senate for confirmations - notably to address the controversial ones who would probably never make it out of Committee, and they did this by "NEVER" going into a "Recess". Even during the winter holidays - you can flip on CSPAN during one of those days of Christmas/New Year's week and see both Chambers "in session", with Clerks there and some other staff and an assigned "Pro-tempore" in the Senate and House to run the show.

I.e., they set up a Rule in their respective Chambers, to literally have someone (normally who lived close by like in MD or VA), to come into their respective Chamber, literally "gavel in" for "Normal Business" (or "Morning Business" ), that includes the Pledge of Allegiance and Convocation, etc., and then maybe have some 1-minute speeches if anyone was around wanting to do that, and perhaps read off the upcoming schedule and submit some written remarks for the record, and then they would RECESS "SUBJECT TO THE CALL OF THE CHAIR" - meaning in 3 days, they would do it all again. Come in, gavel in, Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

These were what they called "Pro-Forma" sessions.

What Obama did was object to the Pro-Forma because literally, once they recessed subject to the call of the chair, nothing was really getting done and he argued it was a literal "recess". So he ignored THE RULES (that were voted on by each Chamber for their Chamber), and appointed people to the NLRB. The GOP sued, it went to the SCOTUS, and SCOTUS basically said - "If those are the Rules of the Senate, then THOSE ARE THE RULES. The Executive Branch has no authority over how the Legislative Branch chooses to conduct business".

THE END.

Now remember - those are RULES and at the beginning of each Congressional session, each Chamber drafts and votes on NEW Rules (in most cases, keeping most of the previous session's Rules and tweaking them or adding/subtracting from them).

The GOP does NOT yet control the Senate, so this will NOT happen now. That will only happen in January when the NEW 119th Session gavels in and they draft NEW Rules, and THAT is when they can coordinate with the House to adopt Rules that would allow an actual "Recess" (by each Chamber), allowing 45 to put in whoever they want "temporarily". I.e., they are only in that position for that Congressional session (not "permanent" ).

All you have to do is be a CSPAN junkie and you will see this wild stuff in action!!!!

God help us all. orange jar Nov 13 #1
Please, no comedy in LBN. Thanks. NT. Wait -- this is for real? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 13 #2
Child molester and drug addict. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #3
Other than that, he's the very model of a modern major criminal. Kid Berwyn Nov 13 #40
He is a good addition to the crime syndicate, the new consligiere. Irish_Dem Nov 13 #43
WTAF??? Deep State Witch Nov 13 #4
I hope this is 'The Onion'? pfitz59 Nov 13 #5
Yes he is a lawyer but i dont think he practiced law. drray23 Nov 13 #10
Its not like thats all he does prodigitalson Nov 13 #38
JFC PunkinPi Nov 13 #6
Today is the 1st time in my 81 years beveeheart Nov 13 #63
They will all be unqualified ass-kissers because that's all the orange furher wants. PunkinPi Thursday #93
Oh super... NEOH Nov 13 #7
As a lawyer Gaetz worked briefly in private practice VMA131Marine Nov 13 #8
Gaetz is all set and well qualified,... magicarpet Nov 13 #31
Oh FFS. Maybe that will piss off Ken Paxton enough he'll go after Gaetz. tanyev Nov 13 #9
Not yet... Blue_Roses Thursday #86
It will be a recess appointment- he will not be confirmed by the senate. Fiendish Thingy Nov 13 #11
Bingo. MajorPayne Thursday #87
This is fucking insane. Vinca Nov 13 #12
He'll use him to go after his enemies flamingdem Nov 13 #13
What do MTG, Boebs and Jimbo Jordan get??? C_U_L8R Nov 13 #14
Oh yeah bdamomma Nov 13 #33
Welp dweller Nov 13 #15
Joke? Right? Escape Nov 13 #16
Maybe an attempt to get him out of the House and then reject him? FBaggins Nov 13 #17
They may try to recess appoint BumRushDaShow Nov 13 #23
Recess appointments require a recess and a stalled nominee FBaggins Nov 13 #29
No BumRushDaShow Nov 13 #32
Not sure why you started that with a "no" FBaggins Nov 13 #36
Because you missed what I wrote in my original post BumRushDaShow Nov 13 #44
I feel like your posts here are contradictory. Obama got knocked down for recess apointments but the GOP can do it now? LymphocyteLover Nov 13 #51
Let's start over BumRushDaShow Nov 13 #59
OK, thanks!! That makes much more sense. LymphocyteLover Nov 13 #72
The talk of "Recess Appointments" is a trial balloon BumRushDaShow Nov 13 #74
I renew my prediction FBaggins Thursday #85
It'll be up to Thune & Johnson and what Rules the 119th Congress decides to go with BumRushDaShow Thursday #90
The nomination isn't going to survive to the first recess FBaggins Thursday #91
The purported reason for resigning (aside from getting a quicker replacement) BumRushDaShow Thursday #92
Just please make it stop!!! NEOH Nov 13 #18
Pedos stick together 4catsmom Nov 13 #19
Bingo! n/t Mr.Bill Nov 13 #21
Just what we need! A sex trafficker in the seat! sakabatou Nov 13 #20
Birds of a feather! IzzaNuDay Nov 13 #25
. Mr. Sparkle Nov 13 #22
How will the GOP keep a majority in the house if trump keeps nominating these people LetMyPeopleVote Nov 13 #24
Lord help us .... ificandream Nov 13 #26
Shakespeare bmichaelh Nov 13 #27
Will MTG be secretary of agriculture? ificandream Nov 13 #28
And Kevin McCarthy is somewhere in Bakersfield screaming his head off. ificandream Nov 13 #30
an accused pedo as AG. well it does fit with the orange assholes world view. nt Javaman Nov 13 #34
The MAGA clown car is filling up fast. ... aggiesal Nov 13 #35
OMG!! riversedge Nov 13 #37
Im sorry but Im laughing my ass off about this prodigitalson Nov 13 #39
WTF ??? Got to be a joke! liberalla Nov 13 #41
Just because he used the hotel's ATM to get money to pay for drugs and sex from an underaged girl? Botany Thursday #88
Holy.Fucking.Shit. Akakoji Nov 13 #42
And all the GOP are on board, right? Not a peep from any of them? IcyPeas Nov 13 #45
Please let there be a hearing. Please. Schlocko Nov 13 #46
LOL, hearings will not matter Skittles Thursday #83
All I can do at this point is laugh until I cry, and then I'll never stop crying. AngryOldDem Nov 13 #47
His government lakercub Nov 13 #48
So, does that make Gaetz murielm99 Nov 13 #49
Absolutely! Eugene Nov 13 #70
At least a part of the horse lakercub Nov 13 #71
OMFG Lulu KC Nov 13 #50
this is a giant fuck you to the country and especially to the notion of justice LymphocyteLover Nov 13 #52
AG nominee with a mug shot nominated by a POTUS with a mug shot LetMyPeopleVote Nov 13 #53
+1 dalton99a Nov 13 #69
Man, they are really making this a literal clown show Ontheboundry Nov 13 #54
Smoke screen Lovie777 Nov 13 #55
I actually laughed out loud when I heard this news. mwb970 Nov 13 #56
The Onion can't compete with this liberalmediaaddict Nov 13 #57
I actually thought I read ahorny general. Native Nov 13 #58
HenryJ Hudson Chrysler! Like several others... aka-chmeee Nov 13 #60
He may not be confirmed HereForTheParty Nov 13 #61
Can't be smarter than the boss Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 13 #62
Look at it this way, when t-rump fires him in a few months he won't be going back to congress. PortTack Nov 13 #64
Garland bashers are getting everything they wished for. Beastly Boy Nov 13 #65
This isn't a joke? Picaro Nov 13 #66
Not a joke. LisaL Nov 13 #67
Hooo, boy....another "winner". 😑 electric_blue68 Nov 13 #68
Yep, they voted for this.... Dem4life1970 Nov 13 #73
Kak Turbineguy Nov 13 #75
WTF is next? Cheeto Jesus Nov 13 #76
Don't even put that out there Blue_Roses Thursday #89
This is actually his same old tactic.... Escape Nov 13 #77
Now I heard he just nominated Kash Patel as head of the FBI Cheeto Jesus Nov 13 #78
And so the inmates continue to run the asylum n/t Stargleamer Nov 13 #79
Trump Gluttonous traitorous imp. guss Nov 13 #80
Holy Hell in a hand basket Historic NY Nov 13 #81
It Also Plays Well To Trump's Brand of Resentment and Ownage of Women TomCADem Nov 13 #82
When will the Republican Blame Game start? Aussie105 Thursday #84
John Bolton: "It must be the worst nomination for a cabinet position in America history" muriel_volestrangler Thursday #94
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