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LeftInTX

(29,999 posts)
53. Yes, it does.
Fri Sep 20, 2024, 11:08 PM
Sep 20

OTOH: They started the original Middle East terrorism in the 1960's.

Sirhan Sirhan (who is Christian by the way) shot Bobby Kennedy in retaliation.

The first terrorist group was mixed Christian and Muslim with Christian leadership. Eventually they became Islamic groups.


In 1989, Sirhan told British journalist David Frost: "My only connection with Robert Kennedy was his sole support of Israel and his deliberate attempt to send those 50 fighter jets to Israel to obviously do harm to the Palestinians."[3] Some scholars believe that the assassination was the first major incident of political violence in the United States stemming from the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (Sirhan carried out the attack on the first anniversary of the 1967 Arab–Israeli War), though it occurred at a time when the American public was overwhelmingly focused on the Vietnam War.[4]

A motive cited for Sirhan's actions is the Middle East conflict.[39] After his arrest, Sirhan said, "I can explain it. I did it for my country."[39] Sirhan believed that he was deliberately betrayed by Kennedy's support for Israel in the June 1967 Six-Day War,[40] which had begun exactly one year before the date of the assassination. During a search of Sirhan's apartment after his arrest, a spiral-bound notebook was found containing a diary entry that demonstrated that his anger had gradually fixated on Kennedy, who had promised to send 50 fighter jets to Israel if elected president. Sirhan's journal entry of May 18, 1968, read: "My determination to eliminate R.F.K. is becoming the more and more [sic] of an unshakable obsession...Kennedy must die before June 5th."[39] They found other notebooks and diary entries expressing his growing rage at Kennedy; his journals also contained many aphorisms that were thought to be his version of "free writing". He wrote in support of communism: "Long live Communism... I firmly support the communist cause and its people... American capitalism will fall and give way to the worker's dictatorship."[41]

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The six day war was a war of hubris which was started by Egypt. (The Suez Canal also was part of it) Egypt with Arab allies of Jordan and Syria was expected to win. Egypt had this and that. However, Israel hustled and beat the pants out of them. That's when the real problems with the Palestinians started. Prior to that there was issues, but they were mostly local and consisted of guerilla tactics on both sides. The big problem had always been Egypt versus Israel. When Israel won that war, suddenly land that was part of Jordan and Egypt came under Israel's control. Egypt refused to sign a peace treaty, so Israel kept the land, but didn't know what do with the Palestinians.

They keep killing these "key" terrorist leaders, displacedvermoter Sep 20 #1
This one was behind the US embassy bombing and the Marine Corps bombing in 1983. former9thward Sep 20 #2
Just saying they kill these folks pretty regularly displacedvermoter Sep 20 #3
Israel doesn't kill Hezbollah leaders "pretty regularly" maxsolomon Sep 20 #5
Who blew up the pagers? displacedvermoter Sep 20 #6
The pager/walkie talkie attacks were not "regular" occurences. maxsolomon Sep 20 #10
Not only was it unprecedented... BrianTheEVGuy Sep 20 #19
It was reported on August 29 that Israel killed displacedvermoter Sep 20 #7
Well of course what do you expect? EX500rider Sep 20 #8
Ok, I guess that is one way to look at it. displacedvermoter Sep 20 #9
Hezbollah definitely started this one firing thousands missiles across the border EX500rider Sep 20 #11
It is an ongoing spiral of violence displacedvermoter Sep 20 #12
Hezbollah leaves Israel alone, they leave them alone EX500rider Sep 20 #13
You're right BrianTheEVGuy Sep 20 #20
On that note, maybe Ukraine should just surrender too. Fighting back against Russia just breeds more violence... Lancero Sep 20 #24
Not really the same thing, many historical snd displacedvermoter Sep 20 #52
Funny BrianTheEVGuy Sep 21 #57
There are always more to take their place iemanja Sep 20 #16
So? former9thward Sep 20 #22
There is not a finite supply of terrorists iemanja Sep 20 #23
What is the alternative? former9thward Sep 20 #25
A negotiated ceasefire and a two-state solution iemanja Sep 20 #26
No one in the region supports that. former9thward Sep 20 #27
show me polling data to support your claim iemanja Sep 20 #28
Most people do not support a two state solution. former9thward Sep 20 #30
I found a poll for you iemanja Sep 20 #31
And I won the argument. former9thward Sep 20 #33
You said no one iemanja Sep 20 #35
I have been to Israel many times. former9thward Sep 20 #37
And somehow the fact that 34% of the population of Israel supports a two-state solution iemanja Sep 20 #40
Since you know so much how many times have you been to the region? former9thward Sep 20 #44
None, I googled a poll iemanja Sep 20 #47
Since you are tonight's grammar police I used a typical rhetorical device. former9thward Sep 20 #49
Does anyone actually say "no one supports Trump"? iemanja Sep 20 #51
" the fact that 34% of the population" Also known as a minority EX500rider Sep 20 #54
I'll save you the trouble iemanja Sep 20 #29
By my math that means it is a political non-starter. former9thward Sep 20 #32
Clearly that is what you want iemanja Sep 20 #34
Harris and the Democratic party are not in charge in Israel or Gaza. former9thward Sep 20 #36
You haven't paid attention iemanja Sep 20 #38
Every president and I do mean every president since 1948 has said a two state solution. former9thward Sep 20 #43
I don't object to that iemanja Sep 20 #45
They created the problem, they can have it back. former9thward Sep 20 #46
To me, at least... cab67 Sep 21 #58
Hezbollah has nothing to do with a two state solution. They're a Lebanese proxy for Iran. LeftInTX Sep 20 #39
Well, they claim they are fighting in response to Gaza iemanja Sep 20 #41
They say, but it's not their motive. They want to destroy their neighbor because..... LeftInTX Sep 20 #48
Okay iemanja Sep 20 #50
Yes, it does. LeftInTX Sep 20 #53
"Well, they claim they are fighting in response to Gaza" EX500rider Sep 28 #67
But there IS a finite supply of competent leaders; even if they're terrorists. oldsoftie Sep 21 #55
Well, try not to get too exited over this positive news. 🙄 Oopsie Daisy Sep 21 #59
See post #14 emulatorloo Sep 21 #64
they keep saying.... Tetrachloride Sep 20 #4
Good, this is the asshole who planned and executed the Marine barracks bombing in '83 MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #14
My cousin was stationed in Beirut. He was deployed wnylib Sep 20 #15
I was stationed in Germany at the time. MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #18
Rest in pieces, Ibrahim. NT BrianTheEVGuy Sep 20 #17
.... MarineCombatEngineer Sep 20 #21
Good one! LeftInTX Sep 20 #42
Good Tarc Sep 21 #56
That was 40 years ago onandup Sep 21 #60
The principle reason was that he was the Hezbollah military commander. former9thward Sep 21 #61
The principle reason is to save Trump, er, Bibi from prosecution onandup Sep 21 #62
Hezbollah started the war. former9thward Sep 21 #63
Or possibly Israel would like 60,000 Israeli refugees to be able to return to their homes.. EX500rider Sep 22 #65
Absolutely wrong, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 22 #66
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