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44. The judiciary in Israel is still in place, as the entire nation is protesting.

Tue Jul 18, 2023, 04:35 PM

Jul 2023

This is power. What Netanyahu wants is to limit the judiciary, not eliminate it, and even if he succeeds, the judiciary will remain consequential, and the people power will persist. There is no scenario at the present for the government to literally become the state, which is what you seem to be saying. That's quite a stretch. The situation in Israel is not at all as if Trump succeeded in the US.

Besides, Jayapal, by her own admission, has been "fighting to make it clear that Israel is a racist state" long before the the current crisis you are referring to. Her statement, unlike yours, has no connection to the the judiciary in Israel and it consciously dismisses Israel's democratic institutions, diversity, and relative tolerance towards all minorities, including the country's two million Palestinian citizens. It is an absolutist and unconditional statement which shows no regard for accurately reflecting established meanings or facts.

And she did, sincerely or not, apologize:

The only way through these difficult moments is to have real conversations where we develop our own understanding of each other and the traumas we all hold. These are not easy conversations but they are important ones if we are ever to move forward. It is in that spirit that I offer my apologies to those who I have hurt with my words, and offer this clarification.

https://jayapal.house.gov/2023/07/16/jayapal-statement-on-israel-comments/

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Top House Democrats reject Rep. Jayapal's comments calling Israel a 'racist state' [View all] Jose Garcia Jul 2023 OP

Well, that most certainly was an unfortunate choice of words. madaboutharry Jul 2023 #1

THIS!!☝️ her choice of words were quite insensitive onetexan Jul 2023 #46

To even imply Israelis are universally racist is horrendous... was that the context? hlthe2b Jul 2023 #2

Context is in the OP emulatorloo Jul 2023 #3

Not really. hlthe2b Jul 2023 #5

She's my rep and this bothers me. LisaM Jul 2023 #4

+1 betsuni Jul 2023 #25

Mahalo, LisaM.. I remember. :( Cha Jul 2023 #41

Mahalo, Cha! LisaM Jul 2023 #55

In 2019, Tlaib & Omar were blocked by Israel from entering Israel womanofthehills Jul 2023 #63

So what exactly is Israel? They deny the right to exist and seize their lands? Their actions seem Evolve Dammit Jul 2023 #6

Israel didn't seize their lands. Jews have lived there for over 3000 years Marius25 Jul 2023 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #26

Pander temptation? Drum Jul 2023 #7

Dems plan for peace in the region south of Lebanon? Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #8

In order for there to be peace, Palestinians have to agree that Israel is allowed to exist Marius25 Jul 2023 #15

There are several groups of people with power Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #17

The Romans had a good idea : a census. With all of the satellites and phone tracking technology, I Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #9

Pramila has a child (now young adult) by a then husband whose family fled Germany in the 1930s. Grasswire2 Jul 2023 #10

There's a lot of Russians in Israel. Looks like they brought their Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #11

An American journalist was killed while taking photos Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #12

Most Palestinians do not want their own state. Marius25 Jul 2023 #13

Thank you. AZLD4Candidate Jul 2023 #20

Let's be real though. What about the contual encroachment of settlements on Arab lands, and... brush Jul 2023 #33

First of all, I disagree with the settlements Marius25 Jul 2023 #34

What about the Palestinians being separated from much of their farm lands? brush Jul 2023 #35

Where are they being separated from their farm lands? Marius25 Jul 2023 #36

Come on, you're actual contending you know nothing about... brush Jul 2023 #37

I'm asking for specific sources so I can see what and where you're specifying Marius25 Jul 2023 #38

Here is her clarification... chowder66 Jul 2023 #16

Hard to argue with her assessment of Netanyahu & the Likudists Party policiies hlthe2b Jul 2023 #18

She gets no argument from me on that front. chowder66 Jul 2023 #19

First I need to state that my views about Israel are based on it being a political entity. mjvpi Jul 2023 #21

Every time I see her name I think of PayPal Polybius Jul 2023 #22

If she was smart... nycbos Jul 2023 #23

Calling it a racist state is putting it mild considering the Israeli governments actions. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #24

+++ Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #27

Calling Israel a racist state is also a lie. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #28

No, it's an opinion. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #30

An opinion that is contrary to easily verifiable facts is not a lie? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #32

You're certainly welcome to that opinion. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #48

I am indeed. And my opinion, unlike Pramila's, is not contrary to easily verifiable facts Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #50

The citizens of Israel have no power if they have no judiciary, Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #42

The judiciary in Israel is still in place, as the entire nation is protesting. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #44

Really, "it's not as if *rump had succeeded"? Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #51

You are judging Israel by American standards. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #53

The U.S. is ranked higher in racial diversity than Israel Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #56

We are not talking about poor choice of words here Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #58

That's exactly what we're talking about, a poor choice of words. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #60

That poor choice of words has a suspiciously consistent history Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #61

Again, I already addressed the subject, it was a poor choice of words, but it's not uncommon Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #62

Your address of the subject skirts the very evidence which conflicts with your conclusion. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #64

You don't know whether Pramila's choice of words were intentional or not, Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #65

I know Pramila's choice of words was intentional, and so do you. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #66

No I don't. She claimed to be speaking about the government and I believe her. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #67

As I demonstrated before, her description of a racist state is not applicable to either the state or Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #68

It's most certainly applicable as far as the government is concerned. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #69

You realize that what you cited is an OPINION, don't you? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #70

Here's a few more and some background Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #71

And? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #72

Between the two Russia or Iran, can you cite which one of those nations we support? Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #73

What does US support have to do with unfounded accusations of racism? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #74

Insofar as Netanyahu's government is concerned, the accusations aren't unfounded. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #76

Accusation of Israel's government of being racist is certainly unfounfed by any objective measure. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #77

The U.S. didn't want to call South Africa apartheid for the longest time either but it came to pass. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #78

Looking forward to any ideas of how Netanyahu's government might exercise control of what comes out Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #79

I'm looking forward to the day United States doesn't block the U.N. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #80

Good. Things like that need to be rejected and rebuked. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #29

Isreal will never forget that Palestinians joined with the Arab nations to attack them ripcord Jul 2023 #31

The world is cooking faster Geechie Jul 2023 #39

Don't touch the 3rd rail, Pramila. You should know better. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #40

That's a deflection. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #45

No, I don't think Racism is the correct term. It's a default term in America. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #47

There is a phrase which accurately and concisely describes the settler policy in the West Bank (but Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #49

To add to your post, Egypt is blockading Gaza too, yet you never hear anyone whine about that Marius25 Jul 2023 #52

Thank you. Even though it is self-evident that Israel is being singled out, it needs to be repeated. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #54

I know Egypt is blockading Gaza maxsolomon Jul 2023 #57

Yes, because Gaza and the West Bank are entirely separate issues Marius25 Jul 2023 #59

I get where she was going but racist? Red Mountain Jul 2023 #43

She is right and wrong. The Grand Illuminist Jul 2023 #75