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28. Calling Israel a racist state is also a lie.

Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:24 AM

Jul 2023

Last edited Tue Jul 18, 2023, 06:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Two million Israeli citizens of Palestinian dissent with equal rights afforded to them by their citizenship can vouch for that.

By definition, accusing a state of racism towards an ethnic group when there is demonstrable and incontrovertible evidence of that state exercising a policy of integration towards the same ethnic group, is patently ridiculous.

And I am not buying Jayapal's apology either. She owes her apology to the English language itself, when, in her own words, she has been "fighting to make it clear that Israel is a racist state", despite objections from every single English dictionary in the world, not to the people she may have hurt by her offensive manipulation of the language.

Words matter.

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Top House Democrats reject Rep. Jayapal's comments calling Israel a 'racist state' [View all] Jose Garcia Jul 2023 OP

Well, that most certainly was an unfortunate choice of words. madaboutharry Jul 2023 #1

THIS!!☝️ her choice of words were quite insensitive onetexan Jul 2023 #46

To even imply Israelis are universally racist is horrendous... was that the context? hlthe2b Jul 2023 #2

Context is in the OP emulatorloo Jul 2023 #3

Not really. hlthe2b Jul 2023 #5

She's my rep and this bothers me. LisaM Jul 2023 #4

+1 betsuni Jul 2023 #25

Mahalo, LisaM.. I remember. :( Cha Jul 2023 #41

Mahalo, Cha! LisaM Jul 2023 #55

In 2019, Tlaib & Omar were blocked by Israel from entering Israel womanofthehills Jul 2023 #63

So what exactly is Israel? They deny the right to exist and seize their lands? Their actions seem Evolve Dammit Jul 2023 #6

Israel didn't seize their lands. Jews have lived there for over 3000 years Marius25 Jul 2023 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #26

Pander temptation? Drum Jul 2023 #7

Dems plan for peace in the region south of Lebanon? Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #8

In order for there to be peace, Palestinians have to agree that Israel is allowed to exist Marius25 Jul 2023 #15

There are several groups of people with power Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #17

The Romans had a good idea : a census. With all of the satellites and phone tracking technology, I Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #9

Pramila has a child (now young adult) by a then husband whose family fled Germany in the 1930s. Grasswire2 Jul 2023 #10

There's a lot of Russians in Israel. Looks like they brought their Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #11

An American journalist was killed while taking photos Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #12

Most Palestinians do not want their own state. Marius25 Jul 2023 #13

Thank you. AZLD4Candidate Jul 2023 #20

Let's be real though. What about the contual encroachment of settlements on Arab lands, and... brush Jul 2023 #33

First of all, I disagree with the settlements Marius25 Jul 2023 #34

What about the Palestinians being separated from much of their farm lands? brush Jul 2023 #35

Where are they being separated from their farm lands? Marius25 Jul 2023 #36

Come on, you're actual contending you know nothing about... brush Jul 2023 #37

I'm asking for specific sources so I can see what and where you're specifying Marius25 Jul 2023 #38

Here is her clarification... chowder66 Jul 2023 #16

Hard to argue with her assessment of Netanyahu & the Likudists Party policiies hlthe2b Jul 2023 #18

She gets no argument from me on that front. chowder66 Jul 2023 #19

First I need to state that my views about Israel are based on it being a political entity. mjvpi Jul 2023 #21

Every time I see her name I think of PayPal Polybius Jul 2023 #22

If she was smart... nycbos Jul 2023 #23

Calling it a racist state is putting it mild considering the Israeli governments actions. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #24

+++ Tetrachloride Jul 2023 #27

Calling Israel a racist state is also a lie. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #28

No, it's an opinion. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #30

An opinion that is contrary to easily verifiable facts is not a lie? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #32

You're certainly welcome to that opinion. cstanleytech Jul 2023 #48

I am indeed. And my opinion, unlike Pramila's, is not contrary to easily verifiable facts Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #50

The citizens of Israel have no power if they have no judiciary, Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #42

The judiciary in Israel is still in place, as the entire nation is protesting. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #44

Really, "it's not as if *rump had succeeded"? Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #51

You are judging Israel by American standards. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #53

The U.S. is ranked higher in racial diversity than Israel Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #56

We are not talking about poor choice of words here Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #58

That's exactly what we're talking about, a poor choice of words. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #60

That poor choice of words has a suspiciously consistent history Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #61

Again, I already addressed the subject, it was a poor choice of words, but it's not uncommon Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #62

Your address of the subject skirts the very evidence which conflicts with your conclusion. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #64

You don't know whether Pramila's choice of words were intentional or not, Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #65

I know Pramila's choice of words was intentional, and so do you. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #66

No I don't. She claimed to be speaking about the government and I believe her. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #67

As I demonstrated before, her description of a racist state is not applicable to either the state or Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #68

It's most certainly applicable as far as the government is concerned. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #69

You realize that what you cited is an OPINION, don't you? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #70

Here's a few more and some background Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #71

And? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #72

Between the two Russia or Iran, can you cite which one of those nations we support? Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #73

What does US support have to do with unfounded accusations of racism? Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #74

Insofar as Netanyahu's government is concerned, the accusations aren't unfounded. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #76

Accusation of Israel's government of being racist is certainly unfounfed by any objective measure. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #77

The U.S. didn't want to call South Africa apartheid for the longest time either but it came to pass. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #78

Looking forward to any ideas of how Netanyahu's government might exercise control of what comes out Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #79

I'm looking forward to the day United States doesn't block the U.N. Uncle Joe Jul 2023 #80

Good. Things like that need to be rejected and rebuked. Oopsie Daisy Jul 2023 #29

Isreal will never forget that Palestinians joined with the Arab nations to attack them ripcord Jul 2023 #31

The world is cooking faster Geechie Jul 2023 #39

Don't touch the 3rd rail, Pramila. You should know better. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #40

That's a deflection. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #45

No, I don't think Racism is the correct term. It's a default term in America. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #47

There is a phrase which accurately and concisely describes the settler policy in the West Bank (but Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #49

To add to your post, Egypt is blockading Gaza too, yet you never hear anyone whine about that Marius25 Jul 2023 #52

Thank you. Even though it is self-evident that Israel is being singled out, it needs to be repeated. Beastly Boy Jul 2023 #54

I know Egypt is blockading Gaza maxsolomon Jul 2023 #57

Yes, because Gaza and the West Bank are entirely separate issues Marius25 Jul 2023 #59

I get where she was going but racist? Red Mountain Jul 2023 #43

She is right and wrong. The Grand Illuminist Jul 2023 #75