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thucythucy

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32. Yes, some examples would be helpful.
Thu Aug 27, 2020, 01:01 AM
Aug 2020

You stated that "plenty of people" who committed crimes analogous to Chapman's have been released by parole boards. I wonder on what basis you make this assertion. Is it something you know, or merely something you assume? In any case, since you made the assertion I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that you cite an example or two. But if you can't, that's fine too.

You also say parole boards are given wide discretion, which means they consider--I would hope in some detail--the particulars of the cases before them. I would suppose among these particulars would be the motivation behind the crime, the viciousness and cruelty of the attack, the suffering of the victim, the impact on loved ones and the community, and also the contrition or lack thereof expressed by the perpetrator. (The fact that the crime's impact on survivors is considered a factor is seen in how victim impact statements are now a common feature of trial proceedings). So I'd be interested in making some comparisons, to look at how these factors are weighed, especially since you seem to be arguing that the only reason Chapman continues to be in custody is because he killed a famous musician.

I agree that the law should treat victims and offenders mostly equally, with obvious exceptions. Crimes against children, for instance, should carry a greater burden of punishment than similar crimes against adults. But by and large I agree we should strive for equality before the law.

But there may be instances where similar crimes might have unequal impacts and thus perhaps should entail unequal consequences. Defacing a liquor store wall is different from defacing a synagogue or mosque, smashing a light fixture in a museum is different from smashing a Greek statue from the fourth century BC.

I was in Sweden not too long after Prime Minister Palme was assassinated, and there was a sense that the entire nation had been traumatized, even though it was to outward appearances a rather ordinary street crime. Just as JFK's murder was, under the law, no different from any other murder in Dallas that year. And yet we do make a distinction, even in the language we use to describe what is basically the same crime. We don't usually say Kennedy was murdered, we say he was assassinated. Jewish cemeteries spray painted with swastikas are not only vandalized, they're desecrated.

I admit to being ambivalent about this notion of "crimes against culture" or cultural figures. It was a thought that came to mind, and so I threw it out there. I'm less ambivalent about the thought that the murder of Martin Luther King Jr. is a different sort of crime, a crime against not only a single man, but also against an entire community, a crime of terrorism as well as murder.

I suppose one could argue that MLK's murderer (or assassin) be treated no more harshly than the murder of anyone else. Each life is precious, each victim is dead, each family is torn. Even so, do you not see any difference in the impact of those crimes? And should that difference in impact not be reflected somehow in the consequences meted out to the perpetrator[s]?

But I'm not wedded to this notion, just throwing it out there for discussion.

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Good. We could use John Lennon pwb Aug 2020 #1
Just because one is opposed to the death penalty... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #2
+1 nycbos Aug 2020 #3
Life sentences are a chicken shit form of death panalty. What is being accomplished by adding ... marble falls Aug 2020 #6
So John Lennon's wife and children won't have to surreptitiously look over their shoulders catbyte Aug 2020 #7
Please. You and I are more likely than a Ono-Lennon to run into a Chapman ... marble falls Aug 2020 #11
Accepting that nothing can bring John back - I agree justice is possible w/o indeterminate sentences ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #18
truth? respect? continuity? integrity? (nt) stopdiggin Aug 2020 #8
Justice for everyone. marble falls Aug 2020 #20
Protecting the rest of us from being murdered by him? yardwork Aug 2020 #47
That's exactly FireChild Aug 2020 #21
Yep...like the 17 year old who shot people dead in cold blood Bengus81 Aug 2020 #40
Exactly. /nt artemisia1 Aug 2020 #46
Good. He should never be released. skylucy Aug 2020 #4
Rot in jail, fuckbrain. Aristus Aug 2020 #5
You have to wonder Chainfire Aug 2020 #9
We all got some 'splaining to do ... marble falls Aug 2020 #12
He should have the same chance at parole as others sentenced under the same guidelines greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #10
Agree 100%. He'd have been released by now. marble falls Aug 2020 #13
Do you really think so? thucythucy Aug 2020 #19
I still have serious concerns about his mental state ripcord Aug 2020 #22
How so? thucythucy Aug 2020 #26
David Berkowitz is alive and well greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #27
My mistake re: Berkowitz. thucythucy Aug 2020 #28
Let me see if I understand you greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #29
Yes, some examples would be helpful. thucythucy Aug 2020 #32
Here's a compiled list of 235 murderers paroled in New York State just in 2017 greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #36
Thanks for the info. thucythucy Aug 2020 #37
I believe in parole eligibility for the vast majority of offenders greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #39
Maybe Yoko Ono and Sean show up each time and make a compelling case....... Bengus81 Aug 2020 #41
If that's how most similar cases are treated and adjudicated, that's fine greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #42
Sorry, don't buy it. The punishment for killing someone shouldn't be more severe simply because the Dial H For Hero Aug 2020 #30
See my post 32 above. nt thucythucy Aug 2020 #33
I respectfully disagree. One shouldn't be punished less for killing an anonymous citizen than they Dial H For Hero Aug 2020 #38
Sirhan Sirhan is still alive and in prison LeftInTX Aug 2020 #45
That just shows me that the system is broken Polybius Aug 2020 #34
Parole is subjective LeftInTX Aug 2020 #44
He should NEVER be released AC_Mem Aug 2020 #14
Let him rot in prison forever mdbl Aug 2020 #15
Good. Works for me. scarletwoman Aug 2020 #16
He will die in prison Zorro Aug 2020 #17
You got your greatest wish, asshole. LudwigPastorius Aug 2020 #23
Agreed. He wouldn't last five minutes Mad_Dem_X Aug 2020 #43
Rot in hell cp Aug 2020 #24
Good! yuiyoshida Aug 2020 #25
Fine with me. Not because it was Lennon as such, but simply because it was premeditated murder. Dial H For Hero Aug 2020 #31
He can rot in jail, then rot in hell MrsCheaplaugh Aug 2020 #35
A convicted murderer gets a new parole hearing approx every 3.5 years?? Bengus81 Aug 2020 #48
Ah, that explains why the wacko was triggered and was calling late night call in radio... again... Brother Buzz Aug 2020 #49
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