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thucythucy

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28. My mistake re: Berkowitz.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 11:15 PM
Aug 2020

I was thinking of the Boston Strangler.

Not to be too picky, but if you could cite some examples of the "plenty of people" who have committed similar murders being released I'd be most appreciative. I mean people who decided to murder someone for no particular personal reason, but rather only for the attendant publicity.

Chapman actually had a list of celebrities he wanted to murder, including Ronald Reagan, Jacqueline Kennedy, Elizabeth Taylor, George C. Scott and Johnny Carson. Lennon just happened to be the most accessible. Given the opportunity, he might well have gone on killing. It's not like he had any compunctions about doing brutal things to people he didn't know.

He also had a history of stalking and threatening people he thought had slighted him, or were "phony." One of his victims reported how Chapman made up to forty threatening phone calls a day for a period of months. "A voice would whisper, 'Bang bang, you're dead!'" (Chapman confessed to making these phone calls).

Chapman deliberately used hollow nosed rounds, making his attack especially vicious. Lennon was conscious for several minutes after being shot, losing consciousness on the way to the hospital. During that time he puked up pieces of flesh that had been torn loose by the attack. His last moments must have been horrific.

And I'm not sure it's such a bad thing that murdering someone prominent, someone famous, be considered a factor in the severity of punishment. I think there is an argument to be made that killing someone like that--whether a political leader such as JFK, a movement leader such as MLK Jr. or a cultural leader such as Lennon--is a crime not only against that individual but also against the culture at large. The result is a profound shock to the entire society, almost on a par with terrorism. Such a shock is precisely what Chapman wanted.

So maybe "killing a famous musician" should carry with it an extra penalty, just as a murder committed as a hate crime.





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Good. We could use John Lennon pwb Aug 2020 #1
Just because one is opposed to the death penalty... regnaD kciN Aug 2020 #2
+1 nycbos Aug 2020 #3
Life sentences are a chicken shit form of death panalty. What is being accomplished by adding ... marble falls Aug 2020 #6
So John Lennon's wife and children won't have to surreptitiously look over their shoulders catbyte Aug 2020 #7
Please. You and I are more likely than a Ono-Lennon to run into a Chapman ... marble falls Aug 2020 #11
Accepting that nothing can bring John back - I agree justice is possible w/o indeterminate sentences ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #18
truth? respect? continuity? integrity? (nt) stopdiggin Aug 2020 #8
Justice for everyone. marble falls Aug 2020 #20
Protecting the rest of us from being murdered by him? yardwork Aug 2020 #47
That's exactly FireChild Aug 2020 #21
Yep...like the 17 year old who shot people dead in cold blood Bengus81 Aug 2020 #40
Exactly. /nt artemisia1 Aug 2020 #46
Good. He should never be released. skylucy Aug 2020 #4
Rot in jail, fuckbrain. Aristus Aug 2020 #5
You have to wonder Chainfire Aug 2020 #9
We all got some 'splaining to do ... marble falls Aug 2020 #12
He should have the same chance at parole as others sentenced under the same guidelines greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #10
Agree 100%. He'd have been released by now. marble falls Aug 2020 #13
Do you really think so? thucythucy Aug 2020 #19
I still have serious concerns about his mental state ripcord Aug 2020 #22
How so? thucythucy Aug 2020 #26
David Berkowitz is alive and well greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #27
My mistake re: Berkowitz. thucythucy Aug 2020 #28
Let me see if I understand you greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #29
Yes, some examples would be helpful. thucythucy Aug 2020 #32
Here's a compiled list of 235 murderers paroled in New York State just in 2017 greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #36
Thanks for the info. thucythucy Aug 2020 #37
I believe in parole eligibility for the vast majority of offenders greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #39
Maybe Yoko Ono and Sean show up each time and make a compelling case....... Bengus81 Aug 2020 #41
If that's how most similar cases are treated and adjudicated, that's fine greenjar_01 Aug 2020 #42
Sorry, don't buy it. The punishment for killing someone shouldn't be more severe simply because the Dial H For Hero Aug 2020 #30
See my post 32 above. nt thucythucy Aug 2020 #33
I respectfully disagree. One shouldn't be punished less for killing an anonymous citizen than they Dial H For Hero Aug 2020 #38
Sirhan Sirhan is still alive and in prison LeftInTX Aug 2020 #45
That just shows me that the system is broken Polybius Aug 2020 #34
Parole is subjective LeftInTX Aug 2020 #44
He should NEVER be released AC_Mem Aug 2020 #14
Let him rot in prison forever mdbl Aug 2020 #15
Good. Works for me. scarletwoman Aug 2020 #16
He will die in prison Zorro Aug 2020 #17
You got your greatest wish, asshole. LudwigPastorius Aug 2020 #23
Agreed. He wouldn't last five minutes Mad_Dem_X Aug 2020 #43
Rot in hell cp Aug 2020 #24
Good! yuiyoshida Aug 2020 #25
Fine with me. Not because it was Lennon as such, but simply because it was premeditated murder. Dial H For Hero Aug 2020 #31
He can rot in jail, then rot in hell MrsCheaplaugh Aug 2020 #35
A convicted murderer gets a new parole hearing approx every 3.5 years?? Bengus81 Aug 2020 #48
Ah, that explains why the wacko was triggered and was calling late night call in radio... again... Brother Buzz Aug 2020 #49
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