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In reply to the discussion: Bacon, sausages and ham rank alongside smoking as cancer causes, says WHO [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)98. It's your body, so you get to decide whose agenda you believe
And trust me, in nutrition everyone has an agenda. This excerpt is from a web site you might find more balanced. The tone is certainly less confrontational than the one I posted earlier.
Nitrites In Food
Pick Your Poison: Botulism or Nitrosamines?
Consumer concern about nitrites in cured meats is a result of several studies that have linked cold cuts to cancer, in particular, colorectal cancer. Nitrites have mostly been accused, but results of various studies have been inconsistent, with some showing a strong correlation between the intake of cured meats and cancer and others finding no link at all. We do know that under certain conditions, nitrites can produce carcinogenic chemical compounds called nitrosamines. Those conditions include strong acidity as in stomach acid, or cooking with high temperatures, for example, frying. Bacon has been the biggest target as it almost always contains nitrosamines and is cooked at a high temperature. Not all processed meats produce nitrosamines, however, yet there still appears to be a link between cold cuts and cancer and research is looking at the high amounts of sodium and saturated fat found in these foods as other potential causes.
Synthetic vs. Natural Nitrites
Many food manufacturers have created new product lines featuring cold cuts and cured meats that are free of the chemical form of nitrite but instead use cultured celery powder, a natural alternative to nitrites. Lately, some have been criticized for labelling their meats preservative-free or claiming no added nitrates when, in fact, cultured celery powder contains preformed nitrites.
There are some differences between synthetic and more natural forms of nitrite. Synthetic curing salt is dyed pink to differentiate it from table salt and to help it blend better with meat. Also, the amount of nitrite in a food is more difficult to control when using the natural forms of the preservative. The maximum allowable amount of (synthetic) sodium nitrite added to food is 20 grams per 100 kilograms (or 200 ppm) or less, depending on the type of meat product. Mixing celery salts with a starter (a bacterial culture) to form nitrite is a difficult process to control; hence, a food preserved with cultured celery powder may contain even more nitrites than conventional meat products in which the amount of added nitrites is measured.
Pick Your Poison: Botulism or Nitrosamines?
Consumer concern about nitrites in cured meats is a result of several studies that have linked cold cuts to cancer, in particular, colorectal cancer. Nitrites have mostly been accused, but results of various studies have been inconsistent, with some showing a strong correlation between the intake of cured meats and cancer and others finding no link at all. We do know that under certain conditions, nitrites can produce carcinogenic chemical compounds called nitrosamines. Those conditions include strong acidity as in stomach acid, or cooking with high temperatures, for example, frying. Bacon has been the biggest target as it almost always contains nitrosamines and is cooked at a high temperature. Not all processed meats produce nitrosamines, however, yet there still appears to be a link between cold cuts and cancer and research is looking at the high amounts of sodium and saturated fat found in these foods as other potential causes.
Synthetic vs. Natural Nitrites
Many food manufacturers have created new product lines featuring cold cuts and cured meats that are free of the chemical form of nitrite but instead use cultured celery powder, a natural alternative to nitrites. Lately, some have been criticized for labelling their meats preservative-free or claiming no added nitrates when, in fact, cultured celery powder contains preformed nitrites.
There are some differences between synthetic and more natural forms of nitrite. Synthetic curing salt is dyed pink to differentiate it from table salt and to help it blend better with meat. Also, the amount of nitrite in a food is more difficult to control when using the natural forms of the preservative. The maximum allowable amount of (synthetic) sodium nitrite added to food is 20 grams per 100 kilograms (or 200 ppm) or less, depending on the type of meat product. Mixing celery salts with a starter (a bacterial culture) to form nitrite is a difficult process to control; hence, a food preserved with cultured celery powder may contain even more nitrites than conventional meat products in which the amount of added nitrites is measured.
Now it's my time for full disclosure. I've been an Atkins dieter since the late 70s, my diet today is 90% meat, and I think Gary Taubes' book "Good Calories, Bad Calories" is one of the better pieces of science journalism I've read.
I'm not paid for my views, but I sure have opinions. One of them is that most of what passes for nutritional advice these days is utter shite - partly because the science hasn't advanced far enough yet (the study methodologies tend to be inconclusive and error-prone) and partly because the referees for science journals have their own agendas, but largely because most of it fails to take personal metabolic differences into account.
There's no one-size-fits-all diet any more than there are one-size-fits-all ice skates. So, you get to make up your own mind about who to trust. You should always treat their advice skeptically, and always take it in conjunction with listening to your own body - it's the one you have to live with.
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Bacon, sausages and ham rank alongside smoking as cancer causes, says WHO [View all]
brooklynite
Oct 2015
OP
Your grandparents didn't eat pink slime formed together and called red meat. n/t
jtuck004
Oct 2015
#15
I see how the internet sucks for reading between the lines, and you can put a :) in the title
Reter
Oct 2015
#107
I doubt that even 100 years ago that people ate red meat at about every meal.
LiberalArkie
Oct 2015
#42
Exactly. There are a lot of myths used to rationalize gorging on industrially-produced meat now
villager
Oct 2015
#76
This has been know for some time. Still it is good that it calling attention to it
still_one
Oct 2015
#2
"another study will tell you NOT eating ... shortens life" - yes, like eggs.
closeupready
Oct 2015
#30
Eh...fuck it. Still eating ham, bacon, red meat, etc. It's not like I have it every day.
TwilightGardener
Oct 2015
#39
Uhm, just a quibble, but in the case of salt, there is no chemical difference between "sea salt"..
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2015
#72
I would say follow the directions from your doctor, removing salt entirely from you diet is harmful.
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2015
#79
More than one highly respected person I've listened to has mentioned the differences between the two
Gregorian
Oct 2015
#121
Up until a couple of months ago, I thought there might be chemical differences between sea salt...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2015
#122
gotten worse when they took the dog food scrap and started feeding it to humans. Worse
Sunlei
Oct 2015
#58
Hopefully lab grown, cloned meat becomes economical, that's my hope...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2015
#73
I may die a little earlier because of bacon, but you have to be a little skeptical.
Vinca
Oct 2015
#81
we know that meat production is bad for human health, deadly for the animals it kills,
restorefreedom
Oct 2015
#87
The risk: a 0.8% higher chance of coloreectal cancer from 2oz processed meat per day
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2015
#111
Well there's mass produced chemically smoked bacon and then there's the other kinc
Monk06
Oct 2015
#123