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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
127. I had the same question
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
Nov 2016

To take one specific example: When the Bush tax cuts were expiring, Obama cut a deal with the Republicans. Obviously, neither side got all it wanted, which was inevitable. My opinion, however, was that Obama had a very strong bargaining position; his batna (best alternative to negotiated agreement) was that all the cuts would expire, which was a lot closer to what he wanted than to what they wanted. I thought he should have exploited that to get a better deal. The final compromise allowed too much of the inequality-increasing tax cuts to become permanent.

Skinner's announcement is that no one will be permitted to express "contempt" for what Hillary Clinton does in office. By my lights, the preceding paragraph expresses criticism of Obama but not contempt. Some DUers, however, would disagree. Clarification on this point would help cut down on the number of inappropriate posts and/or inappropriate alerts.

Sounds good. Hope this site will become a safe haven for pro Democrats going forward. joshcryer Nov 2016 #1
Yes, we need safe havens on the internet dumbcat Nov 2016 #70
I'd prefer to avoid Idiocracy, myself. joshcryer Nov 2016 #86
+1000 MineralMan Nov 2016 #4
I am so glad we won't have to hear about how horrible Hillary is for the next 4 to 8 years gollygee Nov 2016 #6
We have plenty of time to complain about her, after the inauguration. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2016 #135
Thank you, Skinner! Maeve Nov 2016 #7
Well said sir! ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #8
That big yellow bar notifier worried me for a moment. Tarc Nov 2016 #10
Thanks Skinner, I love the DU site, hope it remains as a place where like minded people can meet and Thinkingabout Nov 2016 #11
Thank you! Sunlei Nov 2016 #13
Thatz encouraging. yowzayowzayowza Nov 2016 #14
such music to my ears. mopinko Nov 2016 #38
Definitely worth celebrating! nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #40
That paragraph jumped out at me sprinkled with stars. +10000 Happy Dance Hekate Nov 2016 #51
Thank you, Skinner meow2u3 Nov 2016 #15
already voted. straight democratic for the first time ever rdking647 Nov 2016 #16
This is great... zenabby Nov 2016 #17
Contact your local Democratic Party headquarters, Zenabby. Hortensis Nov 2016 #124
I won't be around tomorrow at all. I work at a polling place. appleannie1 Nov 2016 #18
Those last 2 paragraphs make me very happy. sufrommich Nov 2016 #19
Wow. Getting ready for DEFCON operations. BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #21
^^^This^^^ sheshe2 Nov 2016 #52
Thank You Skinner I just got my star membership maryellen99 Nov 2016 #22
Thanks Skinner! This will be my fourth Presidential livetohike Nov 2016 #23
This moment in history will not be missed. oasis Nov 2016 #24
I voted! sheshe2 Nov 2016 #25
THANK YOU!!! yardwork Nov 2016 #26
Voted 2 weeks ago here in Washington angrychair Nov 2016 #27
I'm voting for Hillary Clinton. musicblind Nov 2016 #29
i tried to pay with my debit card.. chillfactor Nov 2016 #31
You don't have to set up an account with paypal to process your payment through them. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2016 #57
Fanfreakintastic! Let's get this done..... 🎉🎉🎉 Laurian Nov 2016 #33
GOTV Go Hillary! treestar Nov 2016 #34
HUGE K&R. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #36
Whew! That notice should come with a warning. We're all too nervous here... FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #39
#ImWithHer. onecaliberal Nov 2016 #42
I like this approach! Cosmocat Nov 2016 #45
K & R femmocrat Nov 2016 #47
I'll live. Iggo Nov 2016 #49
+1 Rex Nov 2016 #114
I donated. Mortos Nov 2016 #50
Thank you Skinner..so eloquently written... asiliveandbreathe Nov 2016 #53
New rules kept me here after I swore, during the heat of the primaries, I was done! Kber Nov 2016 #148
Thanks for the early warning, Skinner! vademocrat Nov 2016 #54
Hugs to Skinner et al. for creating DU and keeping it going. Hekate Nov 2016 #55
Thank you for the safe haven Rorey Nov 2016 #56
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #59
I like pie shenmue Nov 2016 #60
Thank you Skinner. Ellen Forradalom Nov 2016 #61
Done, I am finally a star member Freddie Nov 2016 #64
Thank you, Skinner, for this Progressive dog Nov 2016 #65
Thanks. very much. riversedge Nov 2016 #67
Renewed my expired Star membership. Thanks for the reminder Hokie Nov 2016 #68
A-fucking-men. 47of74 Nov 2016 #69
I have abolutely NO IDEA what you're talking about..... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2016 #71
awwwwwww. thanks for the grin!! niyad Nov 2016 #82
I am Canadian but I support Hilary riverbendviewgal Nov 2016 #72
#GOTV4HRC - Let's make it trend! CaptainTruth Nov 2016 #73
Positive Atmosphere! Yonnie3 Nov 2016 #74
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There's always room for honest disagreements on policy. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #91
Voted Lithos Nov 2016 #76
Wife and I both voted early in Georgia... seshers Nov 2016 #77
thank you. I will not be on du tomorrow night (will be watching with friends, drinking niyad Nov 2016 #83
I have the bubbly chilling now! Lifelong Protester Nov 2016 #93
This odd little analogy popped into my head - 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #84
I will never forget election night 2008 MuttLikeMe Nov 2016 #85
Before I donate (again)...will I be allowed to criticize Hillary Clinton? Barack_America Nov 2016 #87
I had the same question Jim Lane Nov 2016 #127
I think I'm "good to go" Lifelong Protester Nov 2016 #89
I'm in.... stevil Nov 2016 #92
Acknowledged lpbk2713 Nov 2016 #94
I am SO glad you made it clear what the price of admission is! cwydro Nov 2016 #95
FUCK Yeah!!!! Right there with ya, Skinner. Stinky The Clown Nov 2016 #96
"If you are able to vote, but you can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary, Lil Missy Nov 2016 #97
I'm happy to sign on HurricaneWarning Nov 2016 #98
Bonus feature of the last two full paragraphs: less Russian malware + bots from the Kremlin's troll geek tragedy Nov 2016 #99
Praise the Lord (meant in the vernacular, not in a religious sense) wryter2000 Nov 2016 #100
Can we still call Republicans , Ass holes? Cryptoad Nov 2016 #103
We both voted for Hillary already marlakay Nov 2016 #104
sigh--no more trolls to play with??? guess I find to find something else on which to sharpen my niyad Nov 2016 #105
I live in the reddest of red states liberalhistorian Nov 2016 #110
Well, that deserves some MUSIC!! MADem Nov 2016 #111
What's your stance on tactical votes for McMullin in Utah? Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2016 #112
I voted early last week so that I could work on election protection tomorrow Gothmog Nov 2016 #113
I'm on board! Nitram Nov 2016 #115
Sounds great Skinner... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #117
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I've already Flatpicker Nov 2016 #119
K&R DesertRat Nov 2016 #120
Oh hell yeah! Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #121
Three Votes for Hillary in GEORGIA. I'm hoping Latino and Black votes push the State BLUE! cynzke Nov 2016 #122
We are Stronger Together!!! hamsterjill Nov 2016 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Nov 2016 #125
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K&R red dog 1 Nov 2016 #130
Thank you, Skinner. dmr Nov 2016 #132
Checking if i am a star member JusticeForAll Nov 2016 #133
"there are...places on the Internet where you can get your Hillary-hate on" ..or just watch M$M tv! Bill USA Nov 2016 #136
I don't need to renew just yet,which is a good thing since apparently your system doesn't like my... Hekate Nov 2016 #137
Already voted for Hillary by mail. Starry Messenger Nov 2016 #138
Thanks you, Skinner... SidDithers Nov 2016 #139
Would love to donate sabbat hunter Nov 2016 #140
Now that''s what I'm talking about! William769 Nov 2016 #141
I understand the situation but I just can't do it right now liberal N proud Nov 2016 #142
Thank you all - you have no idea how much you are appreciated ! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2016 #143
Definitely have my vote! We can't vote early but I will be there tomorrow! anneboleyn Nov 2016 #144
Thank you Skinner still_one Nov 2016 #145
I proudly voted for Hillary last week. eom Blanks Nov 2016 #146
Count me in. Thank you Skinner and thanks AmericanActivist Nov 2016 #147
Thanks You Skinner. ELY08 Nov 2016 #153
What about those whose accounts are 'flagged for review' CousinIT Nov 2016 #154
Thank you. The days of ducking my head while admitting I supported Obama or Hillary are over, NBachers Nov 2016 #155
Good to hear. LiberalFighter Nov 2016 #156
Now this sounds like the D.U. I joined samplegirl Nov 2016 #157
Starring... DangerousRhythm Nov 2016 #158
Watashi wa hirarīkurinton ni tōhyō shite imasu. yuiyoshida Nov 2016 #160
I agree with this. When she does something I believe is right, I will agree Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #161
Star membership renewed Mike Niendorff Nov 2016 #162
If I were a US citizen, I'd vote for Hillary without hesitation Violet_Crumble Nov 2016 #163
I really do remember. raven mad Nov 2016 #164
I am in! Skittles Nov 2016 #169
Great OP Skinner, thanks! nt steve2470 Nov 2016 #170
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