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BainsBane

(57,305 posts)
39. Clinton ran against Trump, not Obama.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 03:12 AM
Jul 2017

And he won voters over $100 k. He did not tie. But since you care so much more about contests among Democrats rather than general elections between Republicans and Democrats I will also point out that she also won lower income voters in the primaries. That coincides with the racial composition of the electorate, since incomes of whites average 8x that of African Americans.

Change is a contentless category. The change they wanted was white rule. That has been proven repeatedly in post-election surveys.

The opposition to Clinton and Democrats more generally is white and self -entitled. It's by people who want to turn the clock back to a time when being white and male was enough to guarantee then a status of racial superiority and an average income advantage even greater than the already staggering disparity.

I did not downplay the role of men in Trump's victory. It is obvious that white men are the most reliable GOP voting demographic. They also are the wealthiest, a point that somehow has escaped you. That is why Trump won upper incomes.

What we are seeing now is an effort to center the Democratic party around those same white men. Controlling one party and three branches of government seemingly isn't enough. Hence the disinformation campaign to try the force the Democrats to abandon concern for anyone but a more affluent white male minority. Not that all white people are affluent or even middle-class, of course. The point is average incomes far in excess of the rest of Americans and voting demographics, which in fact relate to the OP's assertion that civil rights and "identity politics" are too divisive.

Your fixating on Obama vs Clinton is not only irrelevant, itignores context. it is far more difficult for the sitting party to win the presidency after 8 years of holding the Oval Office. The "change" sentiment always favors the opposition party. That such a basic historical fact is systematically and repeatedly ignored is past the point of absurdity.

You mistake my failure to believe in the inherent superiority of white men with downplaying their role in Trump's and every Republican and even right wing victory across the globe. Believe me, many, if not most, of us know we live under a system of rampant inequality because many white men see that inequality as beneficial to themselves. What I oppose is remaking the party to cater to the self-entitlement of those men. I reject the pretense that abandoning concerns for civil rights and the lives of anyone but a white male minority is somehow about "everybody." The consequence would be to make society increasingly unequal to benefit them even more. I especially resent the fact that they seek to camouflage that agenda in the language of leftism and social movements rather than simply admitting their concern is their own self interest.

And the fact is that the two votes per precinct that Clinton lost by in Michigan is dwarfed by the millions denied the right to vote by suppression. That we see that point--and those rights--systematically ignored is disturbing. I can't help wonder if that is also about promoting their own interests, which tend to be incompatible with equal rights and a democratic system that seeks to represent and incorporate the concerns of the majority. That may be why we see a corresponding effort to limit the franchise by replacing Democratic primaries with caucuses, which have the lowest voter participation rates and are largely attended by white property owners.



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If Dems go after rural votes they've failed. If Dems go after white wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #1
No,they must go after ALL of them, as I said, with a strong overarching economic message. LBM20 Jul 2017 #2
This. Skidmore Jul 2017 #15
Whch People? Exactly? Me. Jul 2017 #3
You don't think they count as people? BainsBane Jul 2017 #14
In which county do you live? MineralMan Jul 2017 #4
thank you. +++++++++++++ JHan Jul 2017 #7
+1000 sheshe2 Jul 2017 #8
Thank you. Skidmore Jul 2017 #16
+1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #17
"There is no 'they.' There is only 'you.'" betsuni Jul 2017 #18
+1000. We are "they." Hortensis Jul 2017 #41
There is no they, only we... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #43
Speaking as someone who's been to many a committee meeting crazycatlady Jul 2017 #5
Really sorry about your county. Our Dem clubs (plural) are much more vital and inclusive... Hekate Jul 2017 #11
+1000 Duppers Jul 2017 #36
Back when I was a young guy who earned little, I still went to those MineralMan Jul 2017 #42
Good post and good responses. Hortensis Jul 2017 #44
I live in a small rural town way up in the mtns and I guarantee samnsara Jul 2017 #6
Amen, Sara. +++++ Duppers Jul 2017 #38
They'd better have more than a message. cloudbase Jul 2017 #9
Just one small point in your Op. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #10
You have nailed THE issue of the 21st century... Moostache Jul 2017 #29
Notably, Dems did not make these people the kind of fools Hortensis Jul 2017 #47
"They heard our message--and rejected us. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #48
And the vast majority are not going to change. On the plus side... Hortensis Jul 2017 #49
Democrats need all the help they can get... kentuck Jul 2017 #12
Conservative Democrat ... GeorgeGist Jul 2017 #52
When you refuse to look at exit poll data BainsBane Jul 2017 #13
+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #19
Wow Me. Jul 2017 #21
Thank you. Bains. nt sheshe2 Jul 2017 #22
A...freakin'...men....thank you! Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #27
Sorry, you posted a significant factual error Awsi Dooger Jul 2017 #34
Clinton ran against Trump, not Obama. BainsBane Jul 2017 #39
Great post Gothmog Jul 2017 #51
+1 Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #53
I don't believe in "exit polls". Lord_at_War Jul 2017 #54
What the fuck? ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #20
The Democratic party didn't decide to "be mainly an urban party," to "go corporate" (whatever pnwmom Jul 2017 #23
Civil Rights. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #24
Not a fan of remaking the Democratic Party in the image of the GOP BainsBane Jul 2017 #25
LOL Skittles Jul 2017 #26
A strong message of economic justice will help Warpy Jul 2017 #28
The modern economy has little use for people with no skills/infrastructure (rural America). LonePirate Jul 2017 #30
There are so many racist dog whistles in this post, I'm not even sure why I'm replying... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #31
Great post, thank you! At least the OP didn't have "neoliberal" in it. betsuni Jul 2017 #32
Lol...that was all that was missing! Thanks! Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #35
Thank you nini Jul 2017 #46
so things like this are allowed but people are not allowed to post things objecting to it JI7 Jul 2017 #33
True. betsuni Jul 2017 #37
What is it that you object to? SharonClark Jul 2017 #55
I wake to another day of division/ dems are failed crap OP But I see a lot have already spoken up lunasun Jul 2017 #40
I must have missed the Dems not working on help for the unemployed and poor nini Jul 2017 #45
Can you articulate the Republican "strong, clear, simple jobs message"? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #50
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