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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
34. Sorry, you posted a significant factual error
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 02:11 AM
Jul 2017

"As much as you want the party to abandon the majority of the population to cater to the demands of the $100k plus a year crowd--because those are the voters Clinton lost."

I have no idea how you can cite exit polls and then post something blatantly wrong in the text. Hillary 2016 fared much better than Obama 2012 did among voters making $100k and up. She split that block 47-47 while Obama lost by 10 full points to Romney, 54-44.

Trump fared terribly in most exit poll categories except among people who prioritized change. He dominated that category and it basically decided the election. Even though Obama's approval rating perked up toward election day it did nothing to impact the impression that the country was on the wrong track. That was 62-33 in the exit poll. That category had been identified all year as ominous for Hillary. Among the 62% who said the country was headed in the wrong direction, Trump prevailed 68-26.

Every time white men are downplayed as a source of Trump's victory I have a difficult time taking the post seriously. It is desperation, not truth. White men have been declining as percentage of the electorate but not from 2012 to 2016. They turned out for Trump in sufficient numbers to maintain the white male vote as 34% in 2016 along with 2012. Those white males went for Trump by a net of 31% compared to 27% net for Romney four years earlier.

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If Dems go after rural votes they've failed. If Dems go after white wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #1
No,they must go after ALL of them, as I said, with a strong overarching economic message. LBM20 Jul 2017 #2
This. Skidmore Jul 2017 #15
Whch People? Exactly? Me. Jul 2017 #3
You don't think they count as people? BainsBane Jul 2017 #14
In which county do you live? MineralMan Jul 2017 #4
thank you. +++++++++++++ JHan Jul 2017 #7
+1000 sheshe2 Jul 2017 #8
Thank you. Skidmore Jul 2017 #16
+1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2017 #17
"There is no 'they.' There is only 'you.'" betsuni Jul 2017 #18
+1000. We are "they." Hortensis Jul 2017 #41
There is no they, only we... Wounded Bear Jul 2017 #43
Speaking as someone who's been to many a committee meeting crazycatlady Jul 2017 #5
Really sorry about your county. Our Dem clubs (plural) are much more vital and inclusive... Hekate Jul 2017 #11
+1000 Duppers Jul 2017 #36
Back when I was a young guy who earned little, I still went to those MineralMan Jul 2017 #42
Good post and good responses. Hortensis Jul 2017 #44
I live in a small rural town way up in the mtns and I guarantee samnsara Jul 2017 #6
Amen, Sara. +++++ Duppers Jul 2017 #38
They'd better have more than a message. cloudbase Jul 2017 #9
Just one small point in your Op. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #10
You have nailed THE issue of the 21st century... Moostache Jul 2017 #29
Notably, Dems did not make these people the kind of fools Hortensis Jul 2017 #47
"They heard our message--and rejected us. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #48
And the vast majority are not going to change. On the plus side... Hortensis Jul 2017 #49
Democrats need all the help they can get... kentuck Jul 2017 #12
Conservative Democrat ... GeorgeGist Jul 2017 #52
When you refuse to look at exit poll data BainsBane Jul 2017 #13
+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #19
Wow Me. Jul 2017 #21
Thank you. Bains. nt sheshe2 Jul 2017 #22
A...freakin'...men....thank you! Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #27
Sorry, you posted a significant factual error Awsi Dooger Jul 2017 #34
Clinton ran against Trump, not Obama. BainsBane Jul 2017 #39
Great post Gothmog Jul 2017 #51
+1 Starry Messenger Jul 2017 #53
I don't believe in "exit polls". Lord_at_War Jul 2017 #54
What the fuck? ismnotwasm Jul 2017 #20
The Democratic party didn't decide to "be mainly an urban party," to "go corporate" (whatever pnwmom Jul 2017 #23
Civil Rights. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #24
Not a fan of remaking the Democratic Party in the image of the GOP BainsBane Jul 2017 #25
LOL Skittles Jul 2017 #26
A strong message of economic justice will help Warpy Jul 2017 #28
The modern economy has little use for people with no skills/infrastructure (rural America). LonePirate Jul 2017 #30
There are so many racist dog whistles in this post, I'm not even sure why I'm replying... Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #31
Great post, thank you! At least the OP didn't have "neoliberal" in it. betsuni Jul 2017 #32
Lol...that was all that was missing! Thanks! Docreed2003 Jul 2017 #35
Thank you nini Jul 2017 #46
so things like this are allowed but people are not allowed to post things objecting to it JI7 Jul 2017 #33
True. betsuni Jul 2017 #37
What is it that you object to? SharonClark Jul 2017 #55
I wake to another day of division/ dems are failed crap OP But I see a lot have already spoken up lunasun Jul 2017 #40
I must have missed the Dems not working on help for the unemployed and poor nini Jul 2017 #45
Can you articulate the Republican "strong, clear, simple jobs message"? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2017 #50
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