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AtheistCrusader

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106. For a less snarky response, there are reasons for the delineation.

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:25 PM

Jun 2016

A rifle over a .50 bore is classified as a Destructive Device.
Area-effect weapons like anything explosive, also Destructive Devices. (there's your rocket)

The reason for the classification is simple; can it be used against a single target. Technically a .50 is an anti-material rifle, for shooting things like trucks, rather than people. What it does to a person is frankly, ridiculous. Anything over that is assumed to be for non-direct use against a person. Meaning you can't really use it for any purpose in the context of bearing arms to protect yourself or the state. So, no 20mm rifles for civilians nationwide. Explosives are right out. So that's grenades, rockets, howitzers, recoilless, etc. Can't use it against a person/target. Has splash damage.

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I bought an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle in Philly in 7 minutes [View all] brooklynite Jun 2016 OP

How long should it take? Matrosov Jun 2016 #1

I believe it should take ChickenGuru Jun 2016 #7

I don't disagree n/t Matrosov Jun 2016 #21

So much for due process then? cleanhippie Jun 2016 #75

My due process rights are being violated - I can't own a rocket launcher (without a permit) MillennialDem Jun 2016 #87

Rocket launchers are ordnance, not arms. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #94

And guns are guns, not arms. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #97

Not according to the courts. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #99

Right, so you only have the courts to back you up. The constitution does not say the MillennialDem Jun 2016 #113

Correct. The 2nd Amendment specifies 'arms'. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #115

And the court was wrong and should change it. Just like they were with Dred Scott or Bowers v MillennialDem Jun 2016 #116

Disagree. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #122

For a less snarky response, there are reasons for the delineation. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #106

Yet switch blades are illegal, most knives over a certain number of inches, many MillennialDem Jun 2016 #110

Switch blades aren't illegal nationwide. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #114

The constitution overrides state/local law. If the well regulated militia part of the 2A is MillennialDem Jun 2016 #117

That law has been WELL tested in the courts. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #121

So were many slavery and anti gay cases. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #143

Whats your point? Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #154

"Special treatment?" Well, the Second Amendment, yes. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #144

I'm talking about knives vs guns. Why do guns get special treatment per the 2A? MillennialDem Jun 2016 #158

So when the 2nd congress, responsible for guidelines arming the militias, mandated what arms jmg257 Jun 2016 #145

Ok, muskets and flintlocks then. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #160

And pistols - don't forget pistols. (and associated ammo for all the above) nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #162

No modern pistols. Only stuff built before 1800. MillennialDem Jun 2016 #164

Um no. I didn't say that at all. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #171

I think I was responding to the post you responded to. No worries. jmg257 Jun 2016 #172

How about a LAW? (Light antitank weapon) MH1 Jun 2016 #170

If you really believe that, the you should sue. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #126

It just shows how BOUGHT even the court system is. Why do guns get so many special MillennialDem Jun 2016 #142

Yes, so bought. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #159

I think the point is that checking the background of a buyer can't be very comprehensive if... George II Jun 2016 #8

Do not try to confuse us with logic! n/t LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #9

It's not confusing Matrosov Jun 2016 #24

If a "comprehensive" background check LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #26

All the work of the check was already done. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #44

Sorry, that makes no sense LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #131

Criminal and mental health records are updated bighart Jun 2016 #136

Sounds to me like the system isn't working then LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #157

Every state has to gather the data on an ongoing basis and provide those data to NICS aikoaiko Jun 2016 #141

The biggest problem with NICS is that it isn't even faster and more accurate... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #146

Its a simple call to NICS database - figure all computer driven with operators standing by. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #10

Well, the "background check" Adrahil Jun 2016 #13

In other words the "background check" here is a misnomer. George II Jun 2016 #18

Not at all Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #137

How would a gun shop owner evaluate suspicion? yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #20

many shops do it by skin color IronLionZion Jun 2016 #29

Well indirectly. Most gun purchasers are white people scared of their own shadow and often racists Hoyt Jun 2016 #37

no thanks IronLionZion Jun 2016 #48

Yet most criminals with a gun are black Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #155

Many shops deny purchases based on skin color? Marengo Jun 2016 #61

yep IronLionZion Jun 2016 #82

A citizen in Austin hain't got no problem getting a gun... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #147

Not entirely true. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #96

All the data gathering is already done. Its not like they start from scratch each time you call NICS aikoaiko Jun 2016 #46

But it's the interpretation of data that is lax. If some yahoo is buying a lot of ammo and gunz, Hoyt Jun 2016 #52

Well she bought one rifle. Hardly a harbinger. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #64

So if Cabelas or Academy is having a good sale on firearms/ammo, and a person takes advantage Waldorf Jun 2016 #123

More so than the guy who doesn't see the need to arm up. Find something besides lethal weapons to Hoyt Jun 2016 #124

I enjoy target shooting. I enjoy reloading my own ammunition. Waldorf Jun 2016 #129

Well, your guns and ammo won't help in that respect. Just because you get a kick out of something Hoyt Jun 2016 #130

If this type of weapon is going to be sold kacekwl Jun 2016 #11

It should be at least as hard as being able to vote or getting an abortion. LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #23

Charge $40,000.00 for the weapon. yesphan Jun 2016 #34

And wasn't it Chris Rock who suggested that guns remain affordable, but calimary Jun 2016 #71

Indeed, yesphan Jun 2016 #95

That cost is acceptable in Zimbabwe currency... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #150

So only the rich should be able to afford constitutional rights. NobodyHere Jun 2016 #151

I'm OK with reign88 Jun 2016 #58

Homer Simpson: "Five days!?! But I'm mad NOW!" LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2016 #62

One of their best episodes EVER! Loved the gun shop name - bullwinkle428 Jun 2016 #86

I live in PA, and I own firearms. It is too easy to purchase them. Glassunion Jun 2016 #31

Send that to Bob Casey mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #156

6 months and a psych exam and a level 5 security exam and a IQ test and ability to vote democratic uponit7771 Jun 2016 #36

Good answer n/t Matrosov Jun 2016 #39

Propose that to the DNC. Demand it be in the Platform. Report back. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #152

How about forever? AirmensMom Jun 2016 #47

certainly longer than 7 mins. - see this WaPo article wordpix Jun 2016 #69

Florida follows federal law Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #138

Sarah is spot on. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #153

Oh, maybe a few minutes less than FOREVER! calimary Jun 2016 #70

Infinite time - no one needs or should have a gun designed to do exactly what happened in Orlando karynnj Jun 2016 #74

To the contrary, this gun... phazed0 Jun 2016 #109

Please tell me a valid use of this gun by a civilian karynnj Jun 2016 #112

Can be used for hunting, like any other gun. Target shooting? phazed0 Jun 2016 #118

I have never touched a gun and have never claimed any expertize - If I was wrong, I am wrong karynnj Jun 2016 #128

In my view ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #102

Seven lifetimes AllyCat Jun 2016 #111

I'm going with a 4 month waiting period Dem2 Jun 2016 #134

Disgusting. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #2

I'm surprised a democratic state like pennsyvania doesn't have a wait period but yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #22

Only the PA governor is a Democrat BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #32

Pennsylvania is also known as Pennsyltucky or Alabavania. GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #100

Wait until you hit the range with it... ileus Jun 2016 #3

I was actually surprised reign88 Jun 2016 #60

That was the intent jmowreader Jun 2016 #79

If you pass the background check then so what? hack89 Jun 2016 #4

Definitely wouldn't want to inconvenience some gun yahoo for the benefit of society. Hoyt Jun 2016 #40

He passed the background check hack89 Jun 2016 #42

Well in his case, it should be obvious. In other yahoos' cases, we don't need anymore friggin guns Hoyt Jun 2016 #45

I love you Hoyt hack89 Jun 2016 #59

I'm never quite sure of the purpose of columns like this. Do the authors want the time to be longer? Brickbat Jun 2016 #5

I am surprised that others are surprised about this. jmg257 Jun 2016 #12

True, but I feel like enough think pieces have run in publications dedicated to looking at certain Brickbat Jun 2016 #16

It would have only have taken her a minute to find out that it wasn't actually an AR-15 used. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #6

Not an AR-15, just a "sexier" version of it. 1939 Jun 2016 #38

"Could"? jmowreader Jun 2016 #78

You are right 1939 Jun 2016 #83

Good. This means the gov has done well implementing jack_krass Jun 2016 #14

She should go to a Gander Mountain - they take forever. jmg257 Jun 2016 #15

Gander is a good place to browse. Haven't bought there though. Bonx Jun 2016 #25

Fun to look at, pain in the wallet to buy from. ileus Jun 2016 #81

Nice ! Bonx Jun 2016 #89

It should be as difficult to purchase a weapon as it is justiceischeap Jun 2016 #17

Why is gun buying compared to abortions? Is there a similarity i am missing? nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #27

Waiting periods. Nt justiceischeap Jun 2016 #41

Ah thank you. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #53

So we're OK with abortions taking a long time to obtain, and to be difficult in general? NickB79 Jun 2016 #165

Whoosh is the sound of the point going over your head justiceischeap Jun 2016 #167

I understood your point. It's a juvenile one, frankly NickB79 Jun 2016 #174

In Florida there is a 3 day wait period yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #19

Is that just for handguns? nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #30

"The State of Florida does not require a waiting period for the purchase of a long gun." sl8 Jun 2016 #51

AR-15. Not sure what else yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #65

Some are saying that might just be the location where I live have 3-day but not whole state yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #66

Thanks you! nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #67

Not if a person has a Florida CCW HockeyMom Jun 2016 #33

Not for the AR-15 ish weapons, its zero... the shop owner said as much IIRC uponit7771 Jun 2016 #49

I have a serious question donnasgirl Jun 2016 #28

Yes metalbot Jun 2016 #92

The Orlando shooter didn't use an AR-15. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #50

Antigun nuts don't seem to know the difference between any rifles. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #54

I live in Florida, and the new reports I watched bullsnarfle Jun 2016 #80

That just proves my point. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #88

Guess the cops at the scene bullsnarfle Jun 2016 #108

They said it was an AR-15 style gun, not an AR-15. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #119

"This happens every single shooting." Demit Jun 2016 #120

It's true. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #127

A certain gun TYPE, as you say. Mass murderers seem to use the same gun TYPE. Demit Jun 2016 #135

Why does pointing out the ignorance of people about guns upset you? DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #139

The carnage caused by the gun upsets me greatly. Your petty insistence on details is just sad. Demit Jun 2016 #149

Yes, you're the only one upset by the shooting. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #161

This is why my husband wanst to move to Pa., and not back to NY HockeyMom Jun 2016 #43

I've lived in PA the majority of my life Amishman Jun 2016 #56

How long should it take to query a national database dumbcat Jun 2016 #55

BBC article on buying guns in Florida. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #57

And why exactly does one need an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle? n/t Herman4747 Jun 2016 #63

rights are not parcelled out based on "need" nt Elmergantry Jun 2016 #72

How are answers to questions posed parcelled out? nt Herman4747 Jun 2016 #73

The second amendment is bullshit just like slavery was bullshit. hunter Jun 2016 #84

bless you Elmergantry Jun 2016 #105

Limitations on some rights are necessary to ensure the free exercise of others spirald Jun 2016 #85

and so far Elmergantry Jun 2016 #107

There is such a thing as the general welfare. Demit Jun 2016 #125

If I am not mistaken, Elmergantry Jun 2016 #168

can't technically buy an AR-15. PatrynXX Jun 2016 #68

Pretty sure Colt is still making them(?) An XM-15 would be close, M-15, also an AR-10. jmg257 Jun 2016 #76

AR-10 is the .30 caliber version. (.308 or 7.62x51mm NATO) AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #98

Yep. Would typically prefer that over the 5.56. nt jmg257 Jun 2016 #101

I'm extremely glad the muderer at Pulse didn't have one. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #104

Frankly, we should replace the American bald eagle with a silhouette of the AR-15 . . . DrBulldog Jun 2016 #77

No one should be able to purchase a killing machine. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2016 #90

I can beat that. OldRedneck Jun 2016 #91

when i wanted to volunteer a an animal shelter i had to be fingerprinted and pass a background check rdking647 Jun 2016 #93

already did for my concealed carry permit melm00se Jun 2016 #132

Hell, it takes longer than that to get a cheesesteak! KamaAina Jun 2016 #103

Because the sandwich is not prepared ahead of time. ManiacJoe Jun 2016 #133

How long does it take you to buy a gram of legal recreational marijuana in Philly? Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #140

Wow mcar Jun 2016 #148

Registering to vote takes longer than that. cliffordu Jun 2016 #163

We need to modernize our voting technology? Nt hack89 Jun 2016 #169

It's a testament to how well-run the NICS background check system is NickB79 Jun 2016 #166

This one is actually much worse: Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #173

I had one deaniac21 Jun 2016 #175

And now it's been revealed that the author of this probably committed a felony straw purchase Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #176