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MADem

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14. I think a lot are, nowadays. It wasn't the case in years past, when fast food work
Tue Jan 12, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jan 2016

was, by and large, for high school and college kids on a part time basis, and (dated sexist reference, mind you) "bored housewives" working for what was dismissively called "pin money."

In years past, that WAS the paradigm. Not so anymore. In fact, many people work two 'fast food' jobs to make ends meet. Work all day at the burger joint, deliver pizzas in the evening, that type of thing. That's just too much work, IMO.

No one, pretty much, regarded those jobs as "careers," save for the very few people in "management." Maybe a franchise owner, a day and night manager, and a couple of "assistant managers." The rest of the staff was always, when this format was established, traditionally part - time. The kids worked there for a few years, earning money for college or what-have-you, and then moved on to their "real" job when they grew up.

Nowadays, people DO rely on that kind of "kid's work" to feed their families. And maybe that's what the problem is, to no small extent--that adults are doing children's work. There aren't any--or enough--"adult" jobs.

I'd also be interested in knowing how the cost of living compares between a nine dollar an hour US economy and Denmark. I don't know if twenty bucks an hour is, in fact, a "cakewalk" for Danes. If living in Denmark is anything like living in UK, in terms of what things cost and how people are taxed, that money won't go all that far.

Now, by pointing this out I am NOT -- not for a single moment -- suggesting that nine bucks an hour is a fair wage in this day and age. I do think we need to work towards fifteen. I don't think lowering the boom and changing the wage scale overnight is the way to do it, though. It needs to go up incrementally over two to five years. Otherwise, business owners will refuse to back it, and Congress won't be willing to piss them off. That's simple reality. You don't get anywhere without selling the idea to Congress, and the way you sell it is "A rising tide lifts all boats." Thing is, you want the tide to RISE, not create a tsunami. As wages rise, costs will, too--the customer is not going to be thrilled to pay a dollar extra for a hamburger from one day to the next. They'll pay twenty cents more, then thirty, then fifty...but it has to happen over time. A lot of places are doing this, independent of the federal government, already. High cost areas are setting their own standard wages. Fifteen bucks doesn't go as far in NYC as it does in Shaw, Mississippi, for example.

The federal government will likely, as it often does, trail behind the states and local municipalities on this issue. I don't expect Congress to lead the way, here. They'll be pulled along, if not kicking and screaming, pouting and foot-dragging.

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Burger King Worker [View all] Scuba Jan 2016 OP
So you're saying US workers don't deserve $20 a hour? brooklynite Jan 2016 #1
Can we hook an alternator to that spin and generate electricity? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #2
It would probably power half of Manhattan. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #8
Half of Manhattan? BeanMusical Jan 2016 #25
yes but the methane would choke us to death reddread Jan 2016 #42
Ha! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #50
Funny, coming from a fan of the "champion" of the $15/hour movement who only supports $12. Scuba Jan 2016 #3
...who's been criticized for not supporting a "real" living wage of $15... brooklynite Jan 2016 #4
If you're willing to work with us.... daleanime Jan 2016 #47
Wait. What? Orrex Jan 2016 #10
2 minute response time! Whoo-ooo! Divernan Jan 2016 #13
Right...because I'm wealthy brooklynite Jan 2016 #15
LOL. You should be BUYING 'Merican!!! 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #55
Lol! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #31
LOL! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #51
It's gotten embarrassing for me to be from Brooklyn... The_Commonist Jan 2016 #17
Can't we all pleasantly agree that Denmark has a system that is better for people than here? mucifer Jan 2016 #30
What?!? Sanders is running?!? Thanks Obama... Bubzer Jan 2016 #34
Must give credit where credit is due. You got your response in within two minutes. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #61
Did that meme emanate from THiS "Golden Arches" Mickey D meme? MADem Jan 2016 #5
And how many fast food workers here are full time? hobbit709 Jan 2016 #9
I think a lot are, nowadays. It wasn't the case in years past, when fast food work MADem Jan 2016 #14
If sales taxes are more than triple madville Jan 2016 #16
I tend to squint a bit at shit coming out of FORBES magazine (because that mag owner is a MADem Jan 2016 #21
My guess is that the PPP is way off Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #52
Like I said, I do tend to squint a bit!!! nt MADem Jan 2016 #54
There are numerous other factors that need to be considered: bvar22 Jan 2016 #60
Thanks for posting Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #6
The guy in Denmark also has healthcare Doctor_J Jan 2016 #7
That's the entire purpose and goal of the Repig/Turd Way project. hifiguy Jan 2016 #62
How much ryan_cats Jan 2016 #11
At current exchange rates madville Jan 2016 #19
I stepped in a McDonalds LittleGirl Jan 2016 #27
And their prices are more than double what they are here madville Jan 2016 #12
So double my food price, but triple my wage and give me benefits including health care ... Scuba Jan 2016 #20
Closer to double the wage, U.S. Average is $9 an hour madville Jan 2016 #23
You're using American's right to buy insurance as an argument? Holy crap! Scuba Jan 2016 #24
It's a factor, yes. madville Jan 2016 #32
is that a "right"? reddread Jan 2016 #44
What are the gun laws in Denmark? Sancho Jan 2016 #18
K&R! Thanks for the post, Scuba. Duval Jan 2016 #22
Interesting range of responses to this n/t n2doc Jan 2016 #26
Yet some deny the Democratic Party has been infiltrated by conservatives. Scuba Jan 2016 #28
And I would bet there are some correlations between those folks and the responses here n/t n2doc Jan 2016 #29
I have absolutely no doubts you're right on that. Bubzer Jan 2016 #37
Kick and R BeanMusical Jan 2016 #33
Whooper Meal in Denmark is $7.87 James48 Jan 2016 #35
memes that take 4 seconds to read aren't good arguments- snooper2 Jan 2016 #36
Interesting summary of differences... stillwaiting Jan 2016 #38
Yep. Lower grocery prices and higher fast food prices. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #39
I don't think those numbers include the 25% VAT though snooper2 Jan 2016 #40
That would be good to know, but local purchasing power is HIGHER in Denmark overall. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #41
They also have a FRACTION of our population, almost 6 million or so...vs 330 million snooper2 Jan 2016 #43
And we are still a wealthier nation per capita than Denmark. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #45
"There's lies, damned lies, and statistics"-Mark Twain hobbit709 Jan 2016 #53
A roughly 16% higher cost of living for a substantually higher standard of living is doable. Bubzer Jan 2016 #46
...wow. SoapBox Jan 2016 #48
Congress could raise the Federal minimum to $15 an hour TODAY _if the RW in Congress wanted to_ Sunlei Jan 2016 #49
If Burger King was the ONLY place to work Facility Inspector Jan 2016 #56
Oops. Replied to the wrong person. Iggo Jan 2016 #57
My 1st job was at BK when min wage was $2.30. Ultimately I was "promoted" to manager corkhead Jan 2016 #58
Burger King probably still upset that they had to pull back from becoming a Canadian company... cascadiance Jan 2016 #59
By my calculation Bernblu Jan 2016 #63
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