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pangaia

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23. So the republican 'party' and the democratic 'party' are the same.

Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:55 PM

Dec 2015

OR- they are not the same.
Or both.

There ARE differences, especially in the verbiage coming from candidates.
But, candidates from both parties are bound in chains by how much TPTB will allow.

Whatever positions TPTB do not care about, is not a problem. A candidate can say/do whatever he/she likes---But the positions that TPTB DO care about---- that is the rope around a candidate's neck.

So democratic politicians can support 'safe' socially liberal agendas, for example, and republican politicians can support -- well.. it looks like they can do just about anything. But only because they have moved so far right..

The ONLY candidate running for president now who says FUCK YOU to TPTB is.. guess who.. the old grumpy guy with the frumpy suits, his real teeth and tactics like one might see from a pissed off chihuahua.

Or maybe a St Bernard who will NOT GIVE UP !!!

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Sam Smith - How the Koch brothers helped dismantle the Democratic Party [View all] ViseGrip Dec 2015 OP

Another Du'er heard Sam on Thom Hartman and wanted more info on this issue, so here it is. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #1

Let in the sunshine. mmonk Dec 2015 #2

There is a lot of clarification in there Doctor_J Dec 2015 #3

It sure explains TPP as well Jackilope Dec 2015 #4

A bunch of lies.....Shocking.... SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #14

The people behind the scenes...another one is Penny Pritzker, Sec. of Commerce... Human101948 Dec 2015 #5

The worst people in the world. Initech Dec 2015 #6

Worse Than PNAC? ProfessorGAC Dec 2015 #10

They're probably the heads of PNAC. Initech Dec 2015 #12

Love the Emoticon! ProfessorGAC Dec 2015 #21

If only they were. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #15

I've sensed something wrong fredamae Dec 2015 #7

Yep. When he canned all those advisors mmonk Dec 2015 #8

Well, we were "had to some extent" fredamae Dec 2015 #9

DWS also ruined the Fla dem party. People there wanted her gone in 2014 after all the losses. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #30

Also the US Chamber of Commerce deminks Dec 2015 #11

+1 mmonk Dec 2015 #13

I remember reading that the U.S. CoC was scared of Edwards and made a statement that it SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #16

Our COC also supported our Republican Gov in NC. Duval Dec 2015 #19

There is even more on the corruption of the DLC in the archives of DU. bvar22 Dec 2015 #17

Some of us wanted to see this, ViseGrip. Duval Dec 2015 #18

Huge K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #20

Aarrghh, Lieberman AwakeAtLast Dec 2015 #22

So the republican 'party' and the democratic 'party' are the same. pangaia Dec 2015 #23

In our time, yes, they are the same. They both fish out of the same corporate money bucket. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #29

"Media manipulation." Heh. See that kind of manipulation at the SA Zoo monkey cages... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #24

Kick !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #25

Pro business and pro-trade defines the Obama Presidency. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #26

People are getting the glasses now to see through the crap and how "They Live" and feed on us! cascadiance Dec 2015 #27

knr nt slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #28

Does the DLC early coziness with Obama really past the 'smell' test? ReallyIAmAnOptimist Dec 2015 #31

No passing smell test here when you read this.....for sure ViseGrip Dec 2015 #32

Good but sad and sobering thread. PufPuf23 Dec 2015 #33

The message of G. Carlin & F. Zappa has never rung truer. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #34

Activists must be able to process truth, even when it hurts. Then change the way we work. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #35

PS. Even Hillary gave a message to a Trump supporter, hoping he'll come over to her side. ViseGrip Dec 2015 #36