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TrollBuster9090

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74. He didn't issue any orders to attack Russians, no.
Fri Jan 30, 2015, 05:54 AM
Jan 2015
He ordered NATO troops to occupy the airport BEFORE the Russians arrived, so they couldn't occupy it. He DID NOT order NATO troops to take an airport that was already held by Russian troops. (Any force involved would have been against the Serb paramilitias, if they resisted the NATO troops.) The fact that the Russians hadn't yet occupied Pristina Airport is even contained in the quote YOU JUST POSTED.

''He talked about what the risks were and what might happen if the Russian's got there first, and he said: 'Of course you have to get to the airport'.


As I told you in my first response, the Russians rolled into Kosovo a day ahead of schedule, with the intent of seizing Pristina Airport, and then flying in a division of Russian troops for the purpose of partitioning Kosovo. Something nobody in the world, other than the Serbs and Russians, thought was a good idea. Clark and NATO Secretary Solana were right to try and prevent it.

They didn't succeed because the French were apparently more worried about Serb snipers shooting at their helicopters than they were about the prospect of the Russians occupying half of Kosovo and turning it over to Serbia. So the Russians were allowed to seize the airport, and blocked entrances to it with their APCs. Clark then tried to thwart their plan to fly in Russian troops (in transport planes that were already loaded) by blocking the runway with NATO helicopters. In the end, the other NATO commanders convinced him that you could accomplish the same goal by simply blocking the roads OUT of the airport with APCs, rather than blocking the runway.

So, your reason for hating Clark is invalid. At no point did he ever order any NATO troops to attack Russian troops. You can go on hating him if you want to, but you'll have to find another reason. Sorry.

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THANK YOU! elleng Jan 2015 #1
You're welcome! TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #2
BIG hopes, TrollBuster! elleng Jan 2015 #4
No. We'll have to (pardon the pun) DRAFT him! ;) TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #5
We drafted him last time! elleng Jan 2015 #7
He didn't run for governor when he had the chance Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #13
I don't think he has local politics interests, so it wouldn't surprise me that he wasn't interested TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #14
I don't know whether he would have won, elleng Jan 2015 #16
I think he could have won the governorship Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #17
Heck yes! elleng Jan 2015 #18
What bothers me most about Huckabee Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #3
ISIS handed huge symbolic defeat in Kobani moondust Jan 2015 #6
Yes, and the Kurds are sweetening the irony by having a few women in combat, and also TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #8
Two more words: Norman Schwarzkopf Zambero Jan 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #10
Pretty much. They did run tanks at the end, but 95% of the war was won from the air. nt TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #15
Saddam parked his army in the desert with almost no protection Calista241 Jan 2015 #26
You can't win wars from the air. former9thward Jan 2015 #11
Surprised you didn't invoke Nixon's bombing the Ho Chi Minh trail. But if you want to invoke WW II TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #12
Wow. former9thward Jan 2015 #25
First, I noticed you avoided the question, and second TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #30
They were left intact because they had NO military significance. former9thward Jan 2015 #36
No, that's not what I'm saying. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #39
First the 78 day Kosovo campaign was just that -- not a war. former9thward Jan 2015 #40
Heh, okay, if you want to save some face with semantics, that's fine with me. But if Kosovo TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #41
Show me a military person who says Kosovo was "won on air power alone." former9thward Jan 2015 #63
I don't have to. It WAS won without ground troops. Proving that people who asininely claim that TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #65
You can't because there is none. former9thward Jan 2015 #66
Hahah! Okay, I guess you proved me wrong on a point I never tried to make. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #67
Wow... ironic name bobclark86 Jan 2015 #56
Isn't this exactly what I've already said in at least half a dozen comments to this post? TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #70
Accomplished Only By Island Hopping ProfessorGAC Jan 2015 #47
As I said to another commenter, I don't think the surrender of the Japanese mainland was as TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #55
That's a nice example of an elementary logical fallacy. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2015 #20
"Elimentary logical fallacy," used in a DU thread unrelated to gun control? Paladin Jan 2015 #27
Thank you, that was my point, too. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #34
Bumper-sticker tactics not withstanding... a sustained air campaign conducted by NATO LanternWaste Jan 2015 #24
Thanks elleng Jan 2015 #29
There were also suggestions that the CIA and other agencies started looting the Swiss bank accounts TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #33
Thank you. And, ironically, the air war against ISIS is probably more successful than the air war TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #35
Air, schmair---I'm just looking at that cutie-pie's visage! WinkyDink Jan 2015 #21
You've got good taste! nt TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #45
:-) WinkyDink Jan 2015 #72
The NATO military intervention was illegal but legitimate ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #22
Isn't that Bill Kristol in the pic? I was expecting George Will. Scuba Jan 2015 #23
Yes it is. He's the other neocon armchair general. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #31
Bombardment is a temporary solution HoustonDave Jan 2015 #28
Nobody assumed the use of two atom bombs were the sole cause of the Japanese surrender. Although TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #32
The only ignorance of history is yours. former9thward Jan 2015 #37
Sorry, but you've already demonstrated how ignorant you are of history by claiming we only dropped TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #38
You are minimizing the submarine blockade of Japan in WWII hack89 Jan 2015 #43
I mentioned the Naval blockade in another comment higher up. But the main point was that TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #44
That is not correct hack89 Jan 2015 #46
First, I never said (ANYWHERE) that the two A-bombs were the reason for Japan's surrender. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #50
No - there is no evidence that the conventional bombing campaign would have induced surrender hack89 Jan 2015 #54
"There was no talk of surrender in August before the atomic bombings" TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #59
Unrealistic and undefined conditions that they knew the US would reject hack89 Jan 2015 #62
I'm just sayin' You asserted there was absolutely no talk of surrender before the A-bombs in August TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #68
In addition gladium et scutum Jan 2015 #80
"Enola gay"..."Atom Bomb"... "Hydrogen Bomb" Motown_Johnny Jan 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #48
POINT WELL TAKEN! TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #61
So you really believe that there were ZERO ground troops during the Bosnian War? dilby Jan 2015 #49
well in this conflict the Kurds fill that role Enrique Jan 2015 #52
Bin Laden did his part against the Serbs, as well, fighting alongside US Special Forces. leveymg Jan 2015 #58
You might want to re-read what I actually wrote. I specifically asked how many NATO troops were TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #60
Actually, that's why I have no respect for Wesley Clark. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #51
You mean the airport that the Russians had occupied illegally, a day ahead of schedule, in order to TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #64
So Clark didn't issue the orders? Savannahmann Jan 2015 #73
He didn't issue any orders to attack Russians, no. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #74
He did use these words. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #75
You'll have to supply me with a direct quote from a credible source on that. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #77
Here's an excerpt from General Jackson's own autobiography detailing the entire incident. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #79
PS-By the way, if it makes you feel any better, while I backed the NATO position on Kosovo, TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #71
Technically True, devil is in the details One_Life_To_Give Jan 2015 #53
a giant picture of a handsome general Enrique Jan 2015 #57
Sorry, didn't mean to use such a big glamor photo. It was the only one I could find. TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #69
George Will was complicit in the theft of Jimmy Carter's briefing book. MADem Jan 2015 #76
I think George Will was also complicit in the theft of Howard Cosell's toupee. He's obviously TrollBuster9090 Jan 2015 #78
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