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MADem

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69. They don't HAVE to invent it. It's there.

Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:07 PM

Nov 2014

And it's a bit problematic to anyone who wants to wear the "liberal" and "progressive" labels.

I have to laugh at the people who can't see triangulation when Webb takes it out and beats them over the head with it.

He will position himself between Clinton (if she runs) and whoever the GOP candidate is. He will affect a "I'm for the blue collar white guy who is getting hosed and his wages aren't keeping pace, and I'm for raising taxes on the rich, too" demeanor and he'll capture a lot of interest from that large segment as a consequence. That segment tends not to care about minority issues, equality issues (not just LGBT, but issues of sexism as well), gun issues, etc. If he can pull away enough of those folks, he could triangulate his way into the WH. Two years is a long time, though--he might lose interest/run out of steam before the "show." He does get bored easily.

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Jim Webb [View all] clydefrand Nov 2014 OP

Webb would be fine by me Zambero Nov 2014 #1

Way down yonder in the land of cotton... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #2

Um, what? cwydro Nov 2014 #147

Webb is a big fan of the Confederacy wyldwolf Nov 2014 #148

Jim "I wed three wives" Webb? MADem Nov 2014 #3

Who cares how many wives he had... RichGirl Nov 2014 #10

It's not a question of morality at all, it's more down to temperance and judgment and impulsivity. MADem Nov 2014 #12

It doesn't always come down to temperance. I've been married 3 times and I am still Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #14

Do you quit every important job you've ever held? MADem Nov 2014 #15

Did he quit his marriages? Only Kreskin knows. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #19

He's talked about it--he's a walker. His wives don't get too mad because he is generous. MADem Nov 2014 #20

His wives don't get too mad, eh? So his ex-wives are gold diggers, eh? Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #22

No, they're not gold diggers. He just didn't stiff them. Many do, you know. MADem Nov 2014 #25

I'm not a fan of Webb. Never have, never will be. I just find this "o-o-o-o-o-o-oh" 3 marriage thing Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #27

Quick, no googling--name every President that has been married three times. MADem Nov 2014 #29

I can name one that had many 'bimbo eruptions' LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #30

Well, you've never been a fan of the Clintons, so that is no surprise. nt MADem Nov 2014 #32

Ah, I see. If I were a fan of the Clintons, bimbo eruptions LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #45

I never said that two wrongs make a right--I've just seen your MADem Nov 2014 #60

I'd say she had "bimbo problems" PassingFair Nov 2014 #136

Wow, real classy. nt MADem Nov 2014 #137

Proud are you? Getting a head start of smearing a Democratic candidate before the GOP Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #34

Why are you making such nasty accusations? Let's break your business down. MADem Nov 2014 #35

Sounds like Webb-Gingrich would be a fun general election. nt rogerashton Nov 2014 #107

Women Can't Fight vs. Infections in the Foxhole! MADem Nov 2014 #111

It would make the National Enquirer very, very happy indeed. MADem Nov 2014 #165

Sorry, that's just plain ugly talk davidpdx Nov 2014 #47

Oh, he did finish his term? well well, LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #48

Check how long he stayed as SECNAV--that was barely a whisp of a full term. MADem Nov 2014 #54

Whether there is fruit or not, the GOP will invent it. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #61

They don't HAVE to invent it. It's there. MADem Nov 2014 #69

I think you leading off with the 3 marriage thing put me off. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #66

I have not said a single thing about him that wasn't stone-cold truth. MADem Nov 2014 #70

Of course he finished his senatorial term, he walked away from an MADem Nov 2014 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author davidpdx Nov 2014 #122

What "actions?" MADem Nov 2014 #123

Quits 2 federal slots = quit every important job???? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #65

If you can't bother to read the full conversation (and the links) MADem Nov 2014 #71

Straw men, and insinuating disparaging motives Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #94

That phrase "straw men" does not mean what you think it means. MADem Nov 2014 #116

You lost your credibility... RichGirl Nov 2014 #112

They both quit, didn't they? MADem Nov 2014 #114

Petraeus, Ricardo Sanchez and Stanley MacChrystal would each last about 5 minutes KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17

They're all toast, anyway. Retired x 3. There's a new crew in town. MADem Nov 2014 #21

You should put 'retired' in quotation marks! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #49

Heheh!!! nt MADem Nov 2014 #50

Voters might. merrily Nov 2014 #59

I've had two husbands, I'm tired of judging people based on their marriage habits. redstatebluegirl Nov 2014 #55

Now, your challenge is to convince the rest of America to think the way you do. MADem Nov 2014 #58

That's a good point JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #130

How many times has that guy been married? MADem Nov 2014 #135

...cmon. You know what I'm sayin'. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #138

I think you're wrong. Voters not only care about how often people have been married, but to WHOM MADem Nov 2014 #139

I disagree. I don't think it will materially matter at all. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #140

But Jon Edwards IMPLODED for messin' around. MADem Nov 2014 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #144

If you recall--and I think you're misremembering--Clinton's people did a very good job of pushing MADem Nov 2014 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #150

I completely take your point about paradigm-breakers. MADem Nov 2014 #152

Saint Ronnie was remarried AND conceived a child out of wedlock Major Nikon Nov 2014 #155

And Webb didn't do likewise? (Hint: Oh yes he DID.) MADem Nov 2014 #156

Honestly I don't really care that much about politicians' private lives Major Nikon Nov 2014 #157

People DO are about politicians' (and movie stars', and TV celebrities' and other assorted famous- MADem Nov 2014 #158

Clinton also had higher approval ratings than Saint Ronnie ever got DURING the impeachment Major Nikon Nov 2014 #159

Everyone seems to forget how great the economy was during the Clinton years. MADem Nov 2014 #160

Al Gore running from Clinton is one big reason why he wasn't president Major Nikon Nov 2014 #163

I think the Supreme Court has to take that blame. MADem Nov 2014 #164

Precisely how many marriages may one have before they are ethically disqualified? LanternWaste Nov 2014 #82

We have to ask the GOP, afterall they pull the strings and make all the rules LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #84

As many as they want, so long as they are "good Christian women." MADem Nov 2014 #124

Was he headed to St. Ives? KamaAina Nov 2014 #100

He needs four more to get there! nt MADem Nov 2014 #125

I was thinking about that, too. I've met two of his wives. DFW Nov 2014 #127

Yes, I saw that legendary temper once. MADem Nov 2014 #129

I understand, and I'll even help with some motivation. DFW Nov 2014 #131

Really! Talk about Actions Have Consequences, writ large!!! MADem Nov 2014 #134

Or "I voted for war a clearly trumped-up war" Hillary? tabasco Nov 2014 #141

You might want to acquaint yourself with his full resume before you jump in with both feet. MADem Nov 2014 #142

Had to go back to 1989 to find something? Rex Nov 2014 #145

Seriously? That's your comment? That's your take away from all this conversation? MADem Nov 2014 #153

Here's what he told the WSJ 8 days after he tipped control of the Senate to Democrats in 2006: Faryn Balyncd Nov 2014 #4

I'd like to see that email if you wouldn't mind posting it. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #5

Here's the video, better still MADem Nov 2014 #6

I sent him a bit of money back in 2006, and.... NCarolinawoman Nov 2014 #7

Guy who quit the Senate after 1 term because he didn't like politics? brooklynite Nov 2014 #8

He doesn't like politics... RichGirl Nov 2014 #11

Going after the Presidency is a game of winning too. And the game is to win not once, but twice. MADem Nov 2014 #16

I was beginning to think I was the only person here who was aware of the guy's resume... nt MADem Nov 2014 #13

How does one "quit" if their term is up? NCTraveler Nov 2014 #67

He chose not to run for re-election... brooklynite Nov 2014 #73

Just wanted to clear it up that he didn't quit as is being said. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #74

He quit his cabinet post. MADem Nov 2014 #120

He looks better than Hillary on foreign policy, economic policy, criminal justice. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #9

But he's had three wives! LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #18

And the NRA loves him. MADem Nov 2014 #23

I think I'll watch and see how his bid goes. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #24

I met the guy when he was SECNAV oh so briefly. Nice smear of me, there, though. MADem Nov 2014 #26

I responded to your Fox News-style list of talking points. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #83

Way to double down on the insults! Now, my facts--and they are facts-- MADem Nov 2014 #113

I'm quick with research on Jim Webb.. you going to accuse me like you accused MADem of being Cha Nov 2014 #38

You're off the mark. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #80

You're off the mark. Cha Nov 2014 #110

So, what you're saying is that the GOP isn't going to try to get MADem Nov 2014 #118

"Jim Webb dead wrong on global warming pollution" from 2011.. but, what else do we have to go on? Cha Nov 2014 #37

He appealed to the people of Virginia, because they liked those views. MADem Nov 2014 #40

Ah yes, Virginia politics.. they had the creepy Bob greedy McDonnell and now Terry McAuliffe is Cha Nov 2014 #43

Same story for Grimes then? All politics is local so LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #46

Grimes' problem was not that she was an Obama MADem Nov 2014 #64

I don't know if Webb would have won that race if it had not been merrily Nov 2014 #62

He probably would not have. Allen had money and clout. MADem Nov 2014 #72

Your marriage critique sounds like something from the Moral Majority circa 1982 LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #51

Reading not your strong suit, is that it? MADem Nov 2014 #56

I must have been bored LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #104

NRA loves him I'm not with him... uponit7771 Nov 2014 #161

He has an "A" rating with them. nt MADem Nov 2014 #162

How many did Reagan have? KamaAina Nov 2014 #102

Or Newt Gingrich, or John McCain, for that matter. nt Hekate Nov 2014 #108

Two. And his first wife, the redoubtable Jane Wyman, would answer MADem Nov 2014 #126

I despise him pamela Nov 2014 #28

Holy shit, I remember those days. Brings to mind a story!!!!! MADem Nov 2014 #31

That turns me off, too loyalsister Nov 2014 #33

Warren's not running. The only one in the Senate now who MADem Nov 2014 #36

the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican loyalsister Nov 2014 #41

Yeah--I wish I'd been a fly on the wall at that Professional MADem Nov 2014 #42

I wonder who is telling him he can actually be successful loyalsister Nov 2014 #44

You know, he worked well with Clinton--I think she helped MADem Nov 2014 #75

I understand how politics works loyalsister Nov 2014 #81

If he is covering her right flank, he's getting behind HER... MADem Nov 2014 #117

Wow! Not good. mahalo, pamela Cha Nov 2014 #39

It's interesting to me how many DUers will not even look up a politician's wiki before deciding merrily Nov 2014 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Peregrine Took Nov 2014 #76

Maybe a JIM WEBB group should be added to the "Democrats" topic?????????? HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #53

I posted this on another thread about Webb: merrily Nov 2014 #57

I've read one of his non-fic books, have heard him be interviewed... Hekate Nov 2014 #68

calling out the HRC dogs? RedstDem Nov 2014 #78

After over 80 replies, I guess most of the 'HRC dogs' are sitting back and laughing wyldwolf Nov 2014 #79

who let the dogs out... RedstDem Nov 2014 #85

Laugh all you like but Webb did not think Iraq was a good idea, and Hillary did. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #86

Webb wasn't in the senate when the vote was taken. And besides... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #87

Wanna play? Okay. Doug Coe and The Fellowship: LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #88

I'd love to play wyldwolf Nov 2014 #95

I was mostly wondering how someone could speak so highly of a sick soul like Coe's. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #97

the same way Ted Kennedy, Gore and others did? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #98

If no association exists, how could she speak so highly of him? LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #99

I speak highly of my plumber. So why don't you prove this phantom association? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #103

There is no association of consequence LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #105

do you really think you just made a valid point? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #106

hyperbole much? RedstDem Nov 2014 #89

I don't run toward Hills, I run the opposite direction. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #90

Jim Webb is a confederate sympathizer. No hyperbole here. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #96

well that clearly makes him a rebel RedstDem Nov 2014 #151

Except for the obvious gender, how is this war college vet an improvement over Hillary? librechik Nov 2014 #91

Foreign policy, economic policy, criminal justice reform? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #109

If we're going with another TBF Nov 2014 #92

I will listen to what he has to say.. kentuck Nov 2014 #93

As far as I can tell, Webb's presence in the race serves two purposes KamaAina Nov 2014 #101

I was initially impressed with the guy Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #115

I have to wonder if he's not playing a role. MADem Nov 2014 #121

okay, he would be more restained on foreign policy issues - perhaps than Hillary - that I like Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #119

You really think that? Don't forget, he's an old Cold Warrior who QUIT MADem Nov 2014 #128

he did oppose the U.S. entry into both the Gulf War of 1992 and the invasion of Iraq in 2003. He Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #132

He does seem to be averse to getting mired in the middle east. MADem Nov 2014 #133

Careful, scared little rabbits on DU don't like democracy very much. Rex Nov 2014 #146

There you go again, with the nasty commentary. Most people here are having a CIVIL and spirited MADem Nov 2014 #154

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