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Comrade Grumpy

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9. He looks better than Hillary on foreign policy, economic policy, criminal justice.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 08:57 PM
Nov 2014

Here's a great article from the New Yorker about the 2016 Democratic contenders. The whole thing is worth reading, but I'll just dump in the Jim Webb part:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/17/inevitability-trap

Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb, who served one term, from 2007 to 2013, and then retired, has the potential to win the beer-track vote. In early October, I drove from Washington to a residential building that sits high on a hill in Arlington. On the eighth floor, in a condominium with a sweeping view of Washington’s monuments, Webb has been plotting his own path to defeating Clinton. “I do believe that I have the leadership and the experience and the sense of history and the kinds of ideas where I could lead this country,” he told me. “We’re just going to go out and put things on the table in the next four or five months and see if people support us. And if it looks viable, then we’ll do it.”

Webb is a moderate on foreign policy, but he is a Vietnam veteran from a long line of military men. His condo, which he uses as a study, is filled with antique weaponry and historical artifacts from his ancestors. He showed me a bookcase filled with collectibles. “I’ve been to a lot of battlefields,” he said. He pointed to some sand from Iwo Jima; glass from Tinian, the island from which the Enola Gay was launched before it dropped an atomic bomb on Japan; and some shrapnel from Vietnam. “I have that in my leg,” he said.

After the war, Webb became a writer. His most famous book, “Fields of Fire,” published in 1978, is a novel based on his own experiences and has been credibly compared to Stephen Crane’s “The Red Badge of Courage” for its realistic portrayal of war. Webb has always moved restlessly between the military and politics and the life of a writer. In the late seventies and early eighties, he worked as a counsel on the House Veterans’ Affairs Committee and later as Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy. He has also travelled around the world as a journalist for Parade. In 2007, I interviewed him in his Senate office weeks after he was sworn in. He noted that he was having a hard time adjusting to life as a senator and missed his writing life. Now, in Arlington, he talked about the unfinished business of his Senate career.

In his senatorial race, Webb did well not only in northern Virginia, which is filled with Washington commuters and college-educated liberals, but also with rural, working-class white voters in Appalachia. In 2008, those voters were generally more loyal to Clinton than to Obama, but Webb believes that he could attract a national coalition of both groups of voters in the Presidential primaries. He laid out a view of Wall Street that differs sharply from Clinton’s.


“Because of the way that the financial sector dominates both parties, the distinctions that can be made on truly troubling issues are very minor,” he said. He told a story of an effort he led in the Senate in 2010 to try to pass a windfall-profits tax that would have targeted executives at banks and firms which were rescued by the government after the 2008 financial crisis. He said that when he was debating whether to vote for the original bailout package, the Troubled Asset Relief Program, he relied on the advice of an analyst on Wall Street, who told him, “No. 1, you have to do this, because otherwise the world economy will go into cataclysmic free fall. But, No. 2, you have to punish these guys. It is outrageous what they did.”

After the rescue, when Webb pushed for what he saw as a reasonable punishment, his own party blocked the legislation. “The Democrats wouldn’t let me vote on it,” he said. “Because either way you voted on that, you’re making somebody mad. And the financial sector was furious.” He added that one Northeastern senator—Webb wouldn’t say who—“was literally screaming at me on the Senate floor.”

When Clinton was a New York senator, from 2001 to 2009, she fiercely defended the financial industry, which was a crucial source of campaign contributions and of jobs in her state. “If you don’t have stock, and a lot of people in this country don’t have stock, you’re not doing very well,” Webb said. Webb is a populist, but a cautious one, especially on taxes, the issue that seems to have backfired against O’Malley’s administration. As a senator, Webb frustrated some Democrats because he refused to raise individual income-tax rates. But as President, he says, he would be aggressive about taxing income from investments: “Fairness says if you’re a hedge-fund manager or making deals where you’re making hundreds of millions of dollars and you’re paying capital-gains tax on that, rather than ordinary income tax, something’s wrong, and people know something’s wrong. ”

The Clintons and Obama have championed policies that help the poor by strengthening the safety net, but they have shown relatively little interest in structural changes that would reverse runaway income inequality. “There is a big tendency among a lot of Democratic leaders to feed some raw meat to the public on smaller issues that excite them, like the minimum wage, but don’t really address the larger problem,” Webb said. “A lot of the Democratic leaders who don’t want to scare away their financial supporters will say we’re going to raise the minimum wage, we’re going do these little things, when in reality we need to say we’re going to fundamentally change the tax code so that you will believe our system is fair.”

Webb could challenge Clinton on other domestic issues as well. In 1984, he spent some time as a reporter studying the prison system in Japan, which has a relatively low recidivism rate. In the Senate, he pushed for creating a national commission that would study the American prison system, and he convened hearings on the economic consequences of mass incarceration. He says he even hired three staffers who had criminal records. “If you have been in prison, God help you if you want to really rebuild your life,” Webb told me. “We’ve got seven million people somehow involved in the system right now, and they need a structured way to reënter society and be productive again.” He didn’t mention it, but he is aware that the prison population in the U.S. exploded after the Clinton Administration signed tough new sentencing laws.

The issue that Webb cares about the most, and which could cause serious trouble for Hillary Clinton, is the one that Obama used to defeat her: Clinton’s record on war. In the Obama Administration, Clinton took the more hawkish position in three major debates that divided the President’s national-security team. In 2009, she was an early advocate of the troop surge in Afghanistan. In 2011, along with Samantha Power, who was then a member of the White House National Security Council staff and is now the U.N. Ambassador, she pushed Obama to attack Libyan forces that were threatening the city of Benghazi. That year, Clinton also advocated arming Syrian rebels and intervening militarily in the Syrian civil war, a policy that Obama rejected. Now, as ISIS consolidates its control over parts of the Middle East and Iran’s influence grows, Clinton is still grappling with the consequences of her original vote for the war in Iraq.

Although Webb is by no means an isolationist, much of his appeal in his 2006 campaign was based on his unusual status as a veteran who opposed the Iraq war. “I’ve said for a very long time, since I was Secretary of the Navy, we do not belong as an occupying power in that part of the world,” he told me. “This incredible strategic blunder of invading caused the problems, because it allowed the breakup of Iraq along sectarian lines at the same time that Iran was empowering itself in the region.”

He thinks Obama, Clinton, and Power made things worse by intervening in Libya. “There’s three factions,” he said. “The John McCains of the world, who want to intervene everywhere. Then the people who cooked up this doctrine of humanitarian intervention, including Samantha Power, who don’t think they need to come to Congress if there’s a problem that they define as a humanitarian intervention, which could be anything. That doctrine is so vague.” Webb also disdains liberals who advocate military intervention without understanding the American military. Referring to Syria and Libya, Webb said, “I was saying in hearings at the time, What is going to replace it? What is going to replace the Assad regime? These are tribal countries. Where are all these weapons systems that Qaddafi had? Probably in Syria. Can you get to the airport at Tripoli today? Probably not. It was an enormous destabilizing impact with the Arab Spring.”

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Jim Webb [View all] clydefrand Nov 2014 OP
Webb would be fine by me Zambero Nov 2014 #1
Way down yonder in the land of cotton... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #2
Um, what? cwydro Nov 2014 #147
Webb is a big fan of the Confederacy wyldwolf Nov 2014 #148
Jim "I wed three wives" Webb? MADem Nov 2014 #3
Who cares how many wives he had... RichGirl Nov 2014 #10
It's not a question of morality at all, it's more down to temperance and judgment and impulsivity. MADem Nov 2014 #12
It doesn't always come down to temperance. I've been married 3 times and I am still Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #14
Do you quit every important job you've ever held? MADem Nov 2014 #15
Did he quit his marriages? Only Kreskin knows. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #19
He's talked about it--he's a walker. His wives don't get too mad because he is generous. MADem Nov 2014 #20
His wives don't get too mad, eh? So his ex-wives are gold diggers, eh? Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #22
No, they're not gold diggers. He just didn't stiff them. Many do, you know. MADem Nov 2014 #25
I'm not a fan of Webb. Never have, never will be. I just find this "o-o-o-o-o-o-oh" 3 marriage thing Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #27
Quick, no googling--name every President that has been married three times. MADem Nov 2014 #29
I can name one that had many 'bimbo eruptions' LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #30
Well, you've never been a fan of the Clintons, so that is no surprise. nt MADem Nov 2014 #32
Ah, I see. If I were a fan of the Clintons, bimbo eruptions LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #45
I never said that two wrongs make a right--I've just seen your MADem Nov 2014 #60
I'd say she had "bimbo problems" PassingFair Nov 2014 #136
Wow, real classy. nt MADem Nov 2014 #137
Proud are you? Getting a head start of smearing a Democratic candidate before the GOP Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #34
Why are you making such nasty accusations? Let's break your business down. MADem Nov 2014 #35
Sounds like Webb-Gingrich would be a fun general election. nt rogerashton Nov 2014 #107
Women Can't Fight vs. Infections in the Foxhole! MADem Nov 2014 #111
It would make the National Enquirer very, very happy indeed. MADem Nov 2014 #165
Sorry, that's just plain ugly talk davidpdx Nov 2014 #47
Oh, he did finish his term? well well, LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #48
Check how long he stayed as SECNAV--that was barely a whisp of a full term. MADem Nov 2014 #54
Whether there is fruit or not, the GOP will invent it. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #61
They don't HAVE to invent it. It's there. MADem Nov 2014 #69
I think you leading off with the 3 marriage thing put me off. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #66
I have not said a single thing about him that wasn't stone-cold truth. MADem Nov 2014 #70
Of course he finished his senatorial term, he walked away from an MADem Nov 2014 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author davidpdx Nov 2014 #122
What "actions?" MADem Nov 2014 #123
Quits 2 federal slots = quit every important job???? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #65
If you can't bother to read the full conversation (and the links) MADem Nov 2014 #71
Straw men, and insinuating disparaging motives Cosmic Kitten Nov 2014 #94
That phrase "straw men" does not mean what you think it means. MADem Nov 2014 #116
You lost your credibility... RichGirl Nov 2014 #112
They both quit, didn't they? MADem Nov 2014 #114
Petraeus, Ricardo Sanchez and Stanley MacChrystal would each last about 5 minutes KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #17
They're all toast, anyway. Retired x 3. There's a new crew in town. MADem Nov 2014 #21
You should put 'retired' in quotation marks! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #49
Heheh!!! nt MADem Nov 2014 #50
Voters might. merrily Nov 2014 #59
I've had two husbands, I'm tired of judging people based on their marriage habits. redstatebluegirl Nov 2014 #55
Now, your challenge is to convince the rest of America to think the way you do. MADem Nov 2014 #58
That's a good point JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #130
How many times has that guy been married? MADem Nov 2014 #135
...cmon. You know what I'm sayin'. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #138
I think you're wrong. Voters not only care about how often people have been married, but to WHOM MADem Nov 2014 #139
I disagree. I don't think it will materially matter at all. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #140
But Jon Edwards IMPLODED for messin' around. MADem Nov 2014 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #144
If you recall--and I think you're misremembering--Clinton's people did a very good job of pushing MADem Nov 2014 #149
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #150
I completely take your point about paradigm-breakers. MADem Nov 2014 #152
Saint Ronnie was remarried AND conceived a child out of wedlock Major Nikon Nov 2014 #155
And Webb didn't do likewise? (Hint: Oh yes he DID.) MADem Nov 2014 #156
Honestly I don't really care that much about politicians' private lives Major Nikon Nov 2014 #157
People DO are about politicians' (and movie stars', and TV celebrities' and other assorted famous- MADem Nov 2014 #158
Clinton also had higher approval ratings than Saint Ronnie ever got DURING the impeachment Major Nikon Nov 2014 #159
Everyone seems to forget how great the economy was during the Clinton years. MADem Nov 2014 #160
Al Gore running from Clinton is one big reason why he wasn't president Major Nikon Nov 2014 #163
I think the Supreme Court has to take that blame. MADem Nov 2014 #164
Precisely how many marriages may one have before they are ethically disqualified? LanternWaste Nov 2014 #82
We have to ask the GOP, afterall they pull the strings and make all the rules LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #84
As many as they want, so long as they are "good Christian women." MADem Nov 2014 #124
Was he headed to St. Ives? KamaAina Nov 2014 #100
He needs four more to get there! nt MADem Nov 2014 #125
I was thinking about that, too. I've met two of his wives. DFW Nov 2014 #127
Yes, I saw that legendary temper once. MADem Nov 2014 #129
I understand, and I'll even help with some motivation. DFW Nov 2014 #131
Really! Talk about Actions Have Consequences, writ large!!! MADem Nov 2014 #134
Or "I voted for war a clearly trumped-up war" Hillary? tabasco Nov 2014 #141
You might want to acquaint yourself with his full resume before you jump in with both feet. MADem Nov 2014 #142
Had to go back to 1989 to find something? Rex Nov 2014 #145
Seriously? That's your comment? That's your take away from all this conversation? MADem Nov 2014 #153
Here's what he told the WSJ 8 days after he tipped control of the Senate to Democrats in 2006: Faryn Balyncd Nov 2014 #4
I'd like to see that email if you wouldn't mind posting it. aikoaiko Nov 2014 #5
Here's the video, better still MADem Nov 2014 #6
I sent him a bit of money back in 2006, and.... NCarolinawoman Nov 2014 #7
Guy who quit the Senate after 1 term because he didn't like politics? brooklynite Nov 2014 #8
He doesn't like politics... RichGirl Nov 2014 #11
Going after the Presidency is a game of winning too. And the game is to win not once, but twice. MADem Nov 2014 #16
I was beginning to think I was the only person here who was aware of the guy's resume... nt MADem Nov 2014 #13
How does one "quit" if their term is up? NCTraveler Nov 2014 #67
He chose not to run for re-election... brooklynite Nov 2014 #73
Just wanted to clear it up that he didn't quit as is being said. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #74
He quit his cabinet post. MADem Nov 2014 #120
He looks better than Hillary on foreign policy, economic policy, criminal justice. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #9
But he's had three wives! LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #18
And the NRA loves him. MADem Nov 2014 #23
I think I'll watch and see how his bid goes. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #24
I met the guy when he was SECNAV oh so briefly. Nice smear of me, there, though. MADem Nov 2014 #26
I responded to your Fox News-style list of talking points. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #83
Way to double down on the insults! Now, my facts--and they are facts-- MADem Nov 2014 #113
I'm quick with research on Jim Webb.. you going to accuse me like you accused MADem of being Cha Nov 2014 #38
You're off the mark. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #80
You're off the mark. Cha Nov 2014 #110
So, what you're saying is that the GOP isn't going to try to get MADem Nov 2014 #118
"Jim Webb dead wrong on global warming pollution" from 2011.. but, what else do we have to go on? Cha Nov 2014 #37
He appealed to the people of Virginia, because they liked those views. MADem Nov 2014 #40
Ah yes, Virginia politics.. they had the creepy Bob greedy McDonnell and now Terry McAuliffe is Cha Nov 2014 #43
Same story for Grimes then? All politics is local so LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #46
Grimes' problem was not that she was an Obama MADem Nov 2014 #64
I don't know if Webb would have won that race if it had not been merrily Nov 2014 #62
He probably would not have. Allen had money and clout. MADem Nov 2014 #72
Your marriage critique sounds like something from the Moral Majority circa 1982 LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #51
Reading not your strong suit, is that it? MADem Nov 2014 #56
I must have been bored LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #104
NRA loves him I'm not with him... uponit7771 Nov 2014 #161
He has an "A" rating with them. nt MADem Nov 2014 #162
How many did Reagan have? KamaAina Nov 2014 #102
Or Newt Gingrich, or John McCain, for that matter. nt Hekate Nov 2014 #108
Two. And his first wife, the redoubtable Jane Wyman, would answer MADem Nov 2014 #126
I despise him pamela Nov 2014 #28
Holy shit, I remember those days. Brings to mind a story!!!!! MADem Nov 2014 #31
That turns me off, too loyalsister Nov 2014 #33
Warren's not running. The only one in the Senate now who MADem Nov 2014 #36
the worst Democrat is better than the best Republican loyalsister Nov 2014 #41
Yeah--I wish I'd been a fly on the wall at that Professional MADem Nov 2014 #42
I wonder who is telling him he can actually be successful loyalsister Nov 2014 #44
You know, he worked well with Clinton--I think she helped MADem Nov 2014 #75
I understand how politics works loyalsister Nov 2014 #81
If he is covering her right flank, he's getting behind HER... MADem Nov 2014 #117
Wow! Not good. mahalo, pamela Cha Nov 2014 #39
It's interesting to me how many DUers will not even look up a politician's wiki before deciding merrily Nov 2014 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Peregrine Took Nov 2014 #76
Maybe a JIM WEBB group should be added to the "Democrats" topic?????????? HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #53
I posted this on another thread about Webb: merrily Nov 2014 #57
I've read one of his non-fic books, have heard him be interviewed... Hekate Nov 2014 #68
calling out the HRC dogs? RedstDem Nov 2014 #78
After over 80 replies, I guess most of the 'HRC dogs' are sitting back and laughing wyldwolf Nov 2014 #79
who let the dogs out... RedstDem Nov 2014 #85
Laugh all you like but Webb did not think Iraq was a good idea, and Hillary did. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #86
Webb wasn't in the senate when the vote was taken. And besides... wyldwolf Nov 2014 #87
Wanna play? Okay. Doug Coe and The Fellowship: LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #88
I'd love to play wyldwolf Nov 2014 #95
I was mostly wondering how someone could speak so highly of a sick soul like Coe's. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #97
the same way Ted Kennedy, Gore and others did? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #98
If no association exists, how could she speak so highly of him? LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #99
I speak highly of my plumber. So why don't you prove this phantom association? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #103
There is no association of consequence LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #105
do you really think you just made a valid point? wyldwolf Nov 2014 #106
hyperbole much? RedstDem Nov 2014 #89
I don't run toward Hills, I run the opposite direction. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #90
Jim Webb is a confederate sympathizer. No hyperbole here. wyldwolf Nov 2014 #96
well that clearly makes him a rebel RedstDem Nov 2014 #151
Except for the obvious gender, how is this war college vet an improvement over Hillary? librechik Nov 2014 #91
Foreign policy, economic policy, criminal justice reform? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #109
If we're going with another TBF Nov 2014 #92
I will listen to what he has to say.. kentuck Nov 2014 #93
As far as I can tell, Webb's presence in the race serves two purposes KamaAina Nov 2014 #101
I was initially impressed with the guy Horse with no Name Nov 2014 #115
I have to wonder if he's not playing a role. MADem Nov 2014 #121
okay, he would be more restained on foreign policy issues - perhaps than Hillary - that I like Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #119
You really think that? Don't forget, he's an old Cold Warrior who QUIT MADem Nov 2014 #128
he did oppose the U.S. entry into both the Gulf War of 1992 and the invasion of Iraq in 2003. He Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #132
He does seem to be averse to getting mired in the middle east. MADem Nov 2014 #133
Careful, scared little rabbits on DU don't like democracy very much. Rex Nov 2014 #146
There you go again, with the nasty commentary. Most people here are having a CIVIL and spirited MADem Nov 2014 #154
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