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socialist_n_TN

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69. OK, I think I'm beginning to see where you're coming from..........

Tue Aug 26, 2014, 08:09 AM

Aug 2014

and you're right is some aspects. Paul's positions that appear to be "left" definitely CAN also be RW positions depending on the ideological foundations he's basing them on. And you're DEFINITELY right about people thinking that they're "left" when they're really not. I've complained about that myself. I don't care how much you support some "leftish" positions (LGBT rights and Pro Choice rights come to mind), if you support a neo-liberal or neo-conservative economic position, you are most definitely NOT left in any real sense. Of course, that standard applies to HRC too.

And no, Rand Paul is NOT left. Some of his positions though are compatible to some true left positions, even if he comes to those positions by way of a totally different ideological basis.

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This is Leftist [View all] BainsBane Aug 2014 OP

People saying this will sell everything else out because he claims to be anti-war. stevenleser Aug 2014 #1

They support the ones they care about BainsBane Aug 2014 #6

Regardless of whether some traditionally Dem voters will fall for Paul's crap .... Scuba Aug 2014 #10

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #26

On a few topics, he is further left than HRC. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #34

He calls for domestic use of drones AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #35

Love the John Birch Society site you linked to. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #64

You link to the racist John 'Birch society BainsBane Aug 2014 #67

K&R nt Zorra Aug 2014 #2

The irony is that so called socialists, progressives, support the Rand CT. joshcryer Aug 2014 #3

What's the 'Rand CT?' leftstreet Aug 2014 #4

See post 12. joshcryer Aug 2014 #14

No they don't BainsBane Aug 2014 #5

There is another element in this debate that I have not formulated a reply to. I agree with the OP freshwest Aug 2014 #11

I know that. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13

Oh, I see BainsBane Aug 2014 #16

Sorry, on phone so type short. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17

Pretty hard to picture a Marxist supporting either of them betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #7

Actually you are wrong BainsBane Aug 2014 #8

He pushes it left on those issues where he can draw left leaning voters betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #9

Yes, I see you voted for that option BainsBane Aug 2014 #15

Imperialism isn't leftwing either betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #21

Good post. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Aug 2014 #33

Look what Paul says about the economy and taxes BainsBane Aug 2014 #31

Social Democrats are near the center of the political spectrum in much of the world BainsBane Aug 2014 #32

Not him, the Rand conspiracy that the left would vote for him. joshcryer Aug 2014 #12

Now why would you make that up? Are you trying to disparage socialists and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #50

I didn't say that. joshcryer Aug 2014 #53

What people actually write is entirely irrelevant BainsBane Aug 2014 #62

And yet the BOGers and DINOs at DU insist that they're the same Doctor_J Aug 2014 #18

Who are the same? BainsBane Aug 2014 #25

Why are the PUMAs convinced that liberals are going to vote for Rand Paul? Doctor_J Aug 2014 #27

It's a straw man argument. No one on the left I know will give the Paul's a second rhett o rick Aug 2014 #29

+1, Well said. Marr Aug 2014 #48

All straw, like the poster at the top of the thread BainsBane Aug 2014 #68

"Funny how the OPs that you all objet to are the ones critical of Paul, not the ones praising him". Marr Aug 2014 #71

The mindless fixation on Hillary Clinton ais yours BainsBane Aug 2014 #74

This thread is not about Clinton BainsBane Aug 2014 #60

I've never said I hate Ms. Clinton, but I think the 2016 election will make or break this country. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #86

I can't believe you focus entirely on the fortunes of oligarchs BainsBane Aug 2014 #106

This is the second time you have referred to Marxist analysis as centrist BainsBane Aug 2014 #66

Did you see the game changer OP? BainsBane Aug 2014 #58

Yeah, because a thread about capital, social relations of production, and neoliberalism BainsBane Aug 2014 #61

I just served on a jury where this was the alert message BainsBane Aug 2014 #65

The RP conversation on this site is vain and fruitless. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #19

That isn't what they are doing BainsBane Aug 2014 #22

It's in vain. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #24

K&R redqueen Aug 2014 #20

And He Does Not Even Get 'Wealth Of Nations' Right, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #23

I dislike both models 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #30

this is america. Adam051188 Aug 2014 #36

What is your point? BainsBane Aug 2014 #37

left wing politics is viewed as a national security threat here. Adam051188 Aug 2014 #73

So you thought you'd' reaffirm that in this thead? BainsBane Aug 2014 #76

it's highly relevant Adam051188 Aug 2014 #92

I saw your post extolling the virtues of Ron Paul BainsBane Aug 2014 #97

i saw your post extolling the virtues of SATAN!!! Adam051188 Aug 2014 #102

I'm not sure what you're getting at here......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #38

^ This - TBF Aug 2014 #39

We need more anti-war anti-corporatist populist lovemydog Aug 2014 #40

Clinton isn't "pro-war." joshcryer Aug 2014 #41

Of course she's pro-war......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #44

In that vein, sure. joshcryer Aug 2014 #46

Who isn't? BainsBane Aug 2014 #63

There are people arguing that Rand Paul would move the Democratic party to the left BainsBane Aug 2014 #56

Libertarianism was invented to sucker impressionable youth into corporate Conservatives. ErikJ Aug 2014 #42

Yep, and now they are suckering in BainsBane Aug 2014 #43

Rand Paul doesn't understand Adam Smith, and has possibly never read him: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #45

Smith's concerns were about mercantilism BainsBane Aug 2014 #47

Please cite a post from a liberal on this site who is advocating for a Rand Paul presidency. Marr Aug 2014 #49

Look at the poll about Rand Paul BainsBane Aug 2014 #51

Well then start another goddamned poll that includes "pushing the party to Purveyor Aug 2014 #52

I posted the poll I wanted, thanks BainsBane Aug 2014 #55

Oh, I read most of it. Marr Aug 2014 #54

"You seem to believe it's impossible to be to Hillary Clinton's left on any issue." BainsBane Aug 2014 #57

OK, I think I'm beginning to see where you're coming from.......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #69

And those positions don't in any way make up for the fact that he is a right wing piece of shit BainsBane Aug 2014 #77

Actually, I'm very interested in those subjects. Marr Aug 2014 #72

"You've told me that isn't the case" BainsBane Aug 2014 #75

Why does what I tell you make any difference? Marr Aug 2014 #80

"I told you your characterization of my position was inaccurate" BainsBane Aug 2014 #83

"...time and time again accuse me of promoting Hillary Clinton". Marr Aug 2014 #96

She's not here to discuss, Marr. sibelian Aug 2014 #107

Great posts throughout this thread. woo me with science Aug 2014 #78

Thanks :D Marr Aug 2014 #79

Ah yes BainsBane Aug 2014 #81

Not everything can be put into neat little boxes. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #59

Rand Paul is tailoring some of his rhetoric to the simpletons on the left. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #70

Simpletons is right BainsBane Aug 2014 #84

Alert results: tammywammy Aug 2014 #98

That's not even a real effort BainsBane Aug 2014 #99

It was so ridiculous, I'm glad it was 7-0. n/t tammywammy Aug 2014 #100

I am a democratic socialist hifiguy Aug 2014 #82

You have a picture of Marx on your avatar BainsBane Aug 2014 #85

I believe Marx's descriptions of the inevitability of capitalism's systemic failure hifiguy Aug 2014 #87

I dont disagree with that BainsBane Aug 2014 #88

I know, but I am not ready to renounce non-violence. hifiguy Aug 2014 #89

That has noting to do with it BainsBane Aug 2014 #91

You are correct, especially in terms of the way US politics have been hifiguy Aug 2014 #93

I'm all for working to get more progressive Democrats BainsBane Aug 2014 #94

I am definitely with you on that! hifiguy Aug 2014 #95

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. panader0 Aug 2014 #90

Rand Paul is criticizing both parties FROM THE RIGHT, people! YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #101

Exactly BainsBane Aug 2014 #103

Those who sincerely wish to see a leftist alternative to the Democratic Party *as is* YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #104

Work for change? BainsBane Aug 2014 #105