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BainsBane

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Mon Aug 25, 2014, 05:46 PM Aug 2014

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Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels

The history of all hitherto existing society(2) is the history of class struggles.

Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master(3) and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes. . . .

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation. . . .


The bourgeoisie keeps more and more doing away with the scattered state of the population, of the means of production, and of property. It has agglomerated population, centralised the means of production, and has concentrated property in a few hands. The necessary consequence of this was political centralisation. Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments, and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier, and one customs-tariff.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm#007


We thus see that the social relations within which individuals produce, the social relations of production, are altered, transformed, with the change and development of the material means of production, of the forces of production. The relations of production in their totality constitute what is called the social relations, society, and, moreover, a society at a definite stage of historical development, a society with peculiar, distinctive characteristics. Ancient society, feudal society, bourgeois (or capitalist) society, are such totalities of relations of production, each of which denotes a particular stage of development in the history of mankind.

Capital also is a social relation of production. It is a bourgeois relation of production, a relation of production of bourgeois society. The means of subsistence, the instruments of labour, the raw materials, of which capital consists – have they not been produced and accumulated under given social conditions, within definite special relations? Are they not employed for new production, under given special conditions, within definite social relations? And does not just the definite social character stamp the products which serve for new production as capital?

Capital consists not only of means of subsistence, instruments of labour, and raw materials, not only as material products; it consists just as much of exchange values. All products of which it consists are commodities. Capital, consequently, is not only a sum of material products, it is a sum of commodities, of exchange values, of social magnitudes. Capital remains the same whether we put cotton in the place of wool, rice in the place of wheat, steamships in the place of railroads, provided only that the cotton, the rice, the steamships – the body of capital – have the same exchange value, the same price, as the wool, the wheat, the railroads, in which it was previously embodied. The bodily form of capital may transform itself continually, while capital does not suffer the least alteration.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/ch05.htm


This is leftist:

Tithi Bhattacharya



Social reproduction theory, then, is crucial to understanding certain key features of the system.
1.The unity of the socioeconomic whole: It is certainly true that in any capitalist society the majority exist through a combination of wage labor and unpaid domestic labor to maintain themselves and their households. It is critical to understand both kinds of labor as part of the same process. 2.The contradiction between capital accumulation and social reproduction: Capitalism’s sway over social reproduction is not absolute. Indeed social reproduction may create the essential ingredient of production, i.e., humans, but the actual practices of reproducing life develop and unfold in tension with production. Capitalists attempt to extract as much work as possible from the worker, but the worker in turn tries to extract as much in wages and benefits as possible as ingredients that will allow her to reproduce herself, individually and generationally, for another day.
3.Bosses have an interest in social reproduction: Social reproduction should not be understood solely as the lonely housewife cleaning and cooking such that her worker husband can get to work refreshed every morning. The employer is invested in the specifics of how and to what extent the worker has been socially reproduced. In this sense, it is not simply the food, clothing, and morning readiness at the gates of capital that matter, but everything from education, “language capacities . . . general health,” even “predispositions toward work” that determine the quality of labor power available.9 Each cultural capacity is again determined by historic specificity and is open to negotiation by both sides. Labor laws, policies about public health and education, and state support for unemployment are only some of the many outcomes and constitutive sites for such bargaining.

This is why we need to sharpen our understanding of social reproduction as being performed in three interlocking ways: (a) as unpaid labor in the family increasingly being performed by both men and women; (b) as services provided by the state in the form of a social wage to somewhat attenuate the unpaid labor in the home; and finally (c) as services sold for profit by the market.

Neoliberal policies scaffolded by the rhetoric of individual responsibility sought to dismantle state services and turn social reproduction entirely over to individual families or sell them on the market. It is important to note that capitalism as a system benefits from the unpaid labor of social reproduction within the family and the limited expenditure on the social wage outside of the home. The system cannot afford to fully dispense with social reproduction “without endangering the process of accumulation” since social reproduction ensures the continued existence of the one article that capitalism needs most of all: human labor.10 Understanding this contradictory dependence of production on social reproduction is key to understanding the political economy of gender relations, including gender violence. http://isreview.org/issue/91/explaining-gender-violence-neoliberal-era



THIS is right-wing:



America needs Adam Smith, not Robin Hood
What the President fails to grasp is that the American system that rewards hard work is what made America so prosperous. What America needs is not Robin Hood but Adam Smith. In the year we won our independence, Adam Smith described what creates the Wealth of Nations. He described a limited government that largely did not interfere with individuals and their pursuit of happiness.
Over the past 4 years the President has added over $6 trillion in new debt and may well do the same in a second term. What solutions does he offer? He takes entitlement reform off the table and seeks to squeeze more money out of the private sector.

He says he wants a balanced approach. What the country really needs is a balanced budget. Washington acts in a way that your family never could--they spend money they do not have, they borrow from future generations, and then they blame each other for never fixing the problem.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Rand_Paul_Budget_+_Economy.htm




Cut corporate tax in half to create millions of jobs
With my five-year budget, millions of jobs would be created by cutting the corporate income tax in half, by creating a flat personal income tax of 17%, and by cutting the regulations that are strangling American businesses. The only stimulus ever proven to work is leaving more money in the hands of those who earned it!
Source: Tea Party Response to 2013 State of the Union Address , Feb 12, 2013


Punishing the rich means the poor lose their jobs
Mr. President, you say the rich must pay their fair share. When you seek to punish the rich, the jobs that are lost are those of the poor and middle class.
When you seek to punish Mr. Exxon Mobil, you punish the secretary who owns Exxon Mobil stock.

When you block the Keystone Pipeline, you punish the welder who works on the pipeline.

Source: 2012 Republican National Convention speech , Aug 29, 2012

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Rand_Paul_Corporations.htm


Redefining marriage leads to economic and moral problems
Earlier today, for example, the senator appeared on Glenn Beck's show to discuss the Supreme Court's ruling striking down the Defense of Marriage Act. The host suggested the ruling could lead to polygamy: "If you change one variable--man and a woman to man and man--you can logically change another variable--one man, three women."
For Paul, this seemed perfectly sensible. In fact, the senator went even further than Beck: "If we have no laws on this people take it to one extension further. Does it have to be humans? I'm kind of with you, I see the thousands-of-year tradition of the nucleus of the family unit. I also see that economically, if you just look without any kind of moral periscope and you say, what is it that is the leading cause of poverty in our country? It's having kids without marriage. The stability of the marriage unit is enormous and we should not just say oh we're punting on it, marriage can be anything."

Source: Rachel Maddow blog on U.S. Supreme Court rulings on DOMA , Jun 26, 2013


Illegal to impose racial segregation in the private sector
In two broadcast interviews, Paul said that the federal government may have overstepped its role by making it illegal to impose racial segregation in the private sector.

Asked if he thought a private business had the right to say it would not serve black people, he said: "I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilised behaviour because that's one of the things freedom requires."

Source: London Sunday Times, "US and the Americas" , May 21, 2010
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Rand_Paul_Civil_Rights.htm

Replace over-regulation with free market principles
As a doctor I have had first-hand experience with the vast problems facing health care in America. Like other areas of the economy where the federal government wields its heavy hand, health care is over-regulated and in need of serious market reforms. As Senator, I would ensure that real free market principles are applied to fix this problem. . . .

Defund, repeal, & replace federal care with free market.
Paul signed the Contract From America
The Contract from America, clause 7. Defund, Repeal, & Replace Government-run Health Care:

Defund, repeal and replace the recently passed government-run health care with a system that actually makes health care and insurance more affordable by enabling (the free market).

Source: The Contract From America 10-CFA07 on Jul 8, 2010
http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Rand_Paul_Health_Care.htm



Coarsening of our culture led to 50 million unborn deaths
The coarsening of our culture towards violent death has more consequences than war. Tragically, this same culture has led to the death of 50 million unborn children in the last 40 years. I don't think a civilization can long endure that does not have respect for all human life, born and not yet born. I believe there will come a time when we are all judged on whether or not we took a stand in defense of all life from the moment of conception until our last natural breath.
Source: Speech at 2012 Values Voters Summit , Sep 14, 2012


My opponents call me libertarian but I'm pro-life
Sarah Palin's endorsement [in the Kentucky GOP Senate primary] gave us a boost that energized supporters, brought in new ones, and, of course, annoyed my opponent and his Republican bosses to no end.
In talking to Palin, one of the primary things I wanted to do was allay her fears about social issues, telling her, "My opponents call me a libertarian but I want to assure you that I am pro-life." Palin responded, "Oh, we all have a little libertarian in us."

I do not apologize for believing there is too much government involvement in the private lives of Americans. Trying to portray me or my father as not pro-life--or saying I want to legalize heroin, or prostitution, or making other outlandish claims-- are smears Republican establishment types have always attempted. This race would be no different. One could make the argument that if sincerity is measured by proposed legislation, my dad is arguably the most pro-life member of the House.

Source: The Tea Party Goes to Washington, by Rand Paul, p. 78 , Feb 22, 2011

Life begins at conception

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Rand_Paul_Abortion.htm


If you claim Rand Paul pulls the Democratic Party to the left, you have one seriously fucked up notion of what left means.
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This is Leftist [View all] BainsBane Aug 2014 OP
People saying this will sell everything else out because he claims to be anti-war. stevenleser Aug 2014 #1
They support the ones they care about BainsBane Aug 2014 #6
Regardless of whether some traditionally Dem voters will fall for Paul's crap .... Scuba Aug 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #26
On a few topics, he is further left than HRC. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #34
He calls for domestic use of drones AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #35
Love the John Birch Society site you linked to. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #64
You link to the racist John 'Birch society BainsBane Aug 2014 #67
K&R nt Zorra Aug 2014 #2
The irony is that so called socialists, progressives, support the Rand CT. joshcryer Aug 2014 #3
What's the 'Rand CT?' leftstreet Aug 2014 #4
See post 12. joshcryer Aug 2014 #14
No they don't BainsBane Aug 2014 #5
There is another element in this debate that I have not formulated a reply to. I agree with the OP freshwest Aug 2014 #11
I know that. joshcryer Aug 2014 #13
Oh, I see BainsBane Aug 2014 #16
Sorry, on phone so type short. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
Pretty hard to picture a Marxist supporting either of them betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #7
Actually you are wrong BainsBane Aug 2014 #8
He pushes it left on those issues where he can draw left leaning voters betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #9
Yes, I see you voted for that option BainsBane Aug 2014 #15
Imperialism isn't leftwing either betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #21
Good post. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Aug 2014 #33
Look what Paul says about the economy and taxes BainsBane Aug 2014 #31
Social Democrats are near the center of the political spectrum in much of the world BainsBane Aug 2014 #32
Not him, the Rand conspiracy that the left would vote for him. joshcryer Aug 2014 #12
Now why would you make that up? Are you trying to disparage socialists and rhett o rick Aug 2014 #50
I didn't say that. joshcryer Aug 2014 #53
What people actually write is entirely irrelevant BainsBane Aug 2014 #62
And yet the BOGers and DINOs at DU insist that they're the same Doctor_J Aug 2014 #18
Who are the same? BainsBane Aug 2014 #25
Why are the PUMAs convinced that liberals are going to vote for Rand Paul? Doctor_J Aug 2014 #27
It's a straw man argument. No one on the left I know will give the Paul's a second rhett o rick Aug 2014 #29
+1, Well said. Marr Aug 2014 #48
All straw, like the poster at the top of the thread BainsBane Aug 2014 #68
"Funny how the OPs that you all objet to are the ones critical of Paul, not the ones praising him". Marr Aug 2014 #71
The mindless fixation on Hillary Clinton ais yours BainsBane Aug 2014 #74
This thread is not about Clinton BainsBane Aug 2014 #60
I've never said I hate Ms. Clinton, but I think the 2016 election will make or break this country. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #86
I can't believe you focus entirely on the fortunes of oligarchs BainsBane Aug 2014 #106
This is the second time you have referred to Marxist analysis as centrist BainsBane Aug 2014 #66
Did you see the game changer OP? BainsBane Aug 2014 #58
Yeah, because a thread about capital, social relations of production, and neoliberalism BainsBane Aug 2014 #61
I just served on a jury where this was the alert message BainsBane Aug 2014 #65
The RP conversation on this site is vain and fruitless. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #19
That isn't what they are doing BainsBane Aug 2014 #22
It's in vain. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #24
K&R redqueen Aug 2014 #20
And He Does Not Even Get 'Wealth Of Nations' Right, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #23
I dislike both models 3rdwaydem Aug 2014 #30
this is america. Adam051188 Aug 2014 #36
What is your point? BainsBane Aug 2014 #37
left wing politics is viewed as a national security threat here. Adam051188 Aug 2014 #73
So you thought you'd' reaffirm that in this thead? BainsBane Aug 2014 #76
it's highly relevant Adam051188 Aug 2014 #92
I saw your post extolling the virtues of Ron Paul BainsBane Aug 2014 #97
i saw your post extolling the virtues of SATAN!!! Adam051188 Aug 2014 #102
I'm not sure what you're getting at here......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #38
^ This - TBF Aug 2014 #39
We need more anti-war anti-corporatist populist lovemydog Aug 2014 #40
Clinton isn't "pro-war." joshcryer Aug 2014 #41
Of course she's pro-war......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #44
In that vein, sure. joshcryer Aug 2014 #46
Who isn't? BainsBane Aug 2014 #63
There are people arguing that Rand Paul would move the Democratic party to the left BainsBane Aug 2014 #56
Libertarianism was invented to sucker impressionable youth into corporate Conservatives. ErikJ Aug 2014 #42
Yep, and now they are suckering in BainsBane Aug 2014 #43
Rand Paul doesn't understand Adam Smith, and has possibly never read him: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #45
Smith's concerns were about mercantilism BainsBane Aug 2014 #47
Please cite a post from a liberal on this site who is advocating for a Rand Paul presidency. Marr Aug 2014 #49
Look at the poll about Rand Paul BainsBane Aug 2014 #51
Well then start another goddamned poll that includes "pushing the party to Purveyor Aug 2014 #52
I posted the poll I wanted, thanks BainsBane Aug 2014 #55
Oh, I read most of it. Marr Aug 2014 #54
"You seem to believe it's impossible to be to Hillary Clinton's left on any issue." BainsBane Aug 2014 #57
OK, I think I'm beginning to see where you're coming from.......... socialist_n_TN Aug 2014 #69
And those positions don't in any way make up for the fact that he is a right wing piece of shit BainsBane Aug 2014 #77
Actually, I'm very interested in those subjects. Marr Aug 2014 #72
"You've told me that isn't the case" BainsBane Aug 2014 #75
Why does what I tell you make any difference? Marr Aug 2014 #80
"I told you your characterization of my position was inaccurate" BainsBane Aug 2014 #83
"...time and time again accuse me of promoting Hillary Clinton". Marr Aug 2014 #96
She's not here to discuss, Marr. sibelian Aug 2014 #107
Great posts throughout this thread. woo me with science Aug 2014 #78
Thanks :D Marr Aug 2014 #79
Ah yes BainsBane Aug 2014 #81
Not everything can be put into neat little boxes. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2014 #59
Rand Paul is tailoring some of his rhetoric to the simpletons on the left. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #70
Simpletons is right BainsBane Aug 2014 #84
Alert results: tammywammy Aug 2014 #98
That's not even a real effort BainsBane Aug 2014 #99
It was so ridiculous, I'm glad it was 7-0. n/t tammywammy Aug 2014 #100
I am a democratic socialist hifiguy Aug 2014 #82
You have a picture of Marx on your avatar BainsBane Aug 2014 #85
I believe Marx's descriptions of the inevitability of capitalism's systemic failure hifiguy Aug 2014 #87
I dont disagree with that BainsBane Aug 2014 #88
I know, but I am not ready to renounce non-violence. hifiguy Aug 2014 #89
That has noting to do with it BainsBane Aug 2014 #91
You are correct, especially in terms of the way US politics have been hifiguy Aug 2014 #93
I'm all for working to get more progressive Democrats BainsBane Aug 2014 #94
I am definitely with you on that! hifiguy Aug 2014 #95
"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. panader0 Aug 2014 #90
Rand Paul is criticizing both parties FROM THE RIGHT, people! YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #101
Exactly BainsBane Aug 2014 #103
Those who sincerely wish to see a leftist alternative to the Democratic Party *as is* YoungDemCA Aug 2014 #104
Work for change? BainsBane Aug 2014 #105
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