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sabrina 1

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290. Well, if anyone thinks that is the way to persuade people to support them, I think

Thu Aug 7, 2014, 10:42 AM

Aug 2014

they are delusional. It has the opposite effect imo. I hate talking points and assume when I see them that we are being propagandized so automatically reject them. If someone sincerely believes in something, they don't need talking points, they are able to articulate their opinions in their own words.

Talking points destroy good forums, which may be their intent but they do not win anyone over.

And looking around the internet all over the world at the comment sections attached to news articles re this conflict, people ARE rejecting them. They are everywhere, the same old illogical talking points and they are getting the same negative reaction everywhere.

Maybe it's just me, but if I wanted to sell something and my ad campaign was only turning people off, I would stop wasting my money on such a failed venture.

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Palestinians Have a Right to Defend Themselves! [View all] sabrina 1 Aug 2014 OP

Lobbing rockets by the thousands, two deaths, lobbing missiles and artillery, 2000 deaths. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #1

No one believes that the Hamas rocket attacks were aimed at military targets onenote Aug 2014 #2

Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves in your opinion? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #3

If by defending themselves you mean firing rockets at civilians with no strategic defensive purpose. onenote Aug 2014 #5

The vast majority of unguided rockets go no where near populated sites, the ones that are, the few, Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #6

So are you saying that the Israelis don't have the right to intercept those missiles? onenote Aug 2014 #45

So you are saying you want to switch the talk away from 300 dead children as an appropriate Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #46

a thought NoMoreRepugs Aug 2014 #120

bingo! 7962 Aug 2014 #130

The rockets are mostly a symbolic gesture to protest the occupation. Chemisse Aug 2014 #204

So if one or more of these "mostly symbolic" rockets makes it through the Israeli defense onenote Aug 2014 #209

Just like scuds, V-1's V-2's etc.... Historic NY Aug 2014 #272

What do you mean 'they are put exactly where they think Israel won't strike'?? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #289

See below, Historic NY Aug 2014 #296

And? Israeli bombs landed right IN the UN building. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #297

I don't think Fred is saying that, nor is anyone else markpkessinger Aug 2014 #233

I think what the poster is saying is that notadmblnd Aug 2014 #80

Of course, they imply Palestinian lives do not matter, only Israeli children are precious. Evil. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #90

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #256

Our elected officials appear to agree with them. That Palestinian sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #117

I'm seeing that, and I'm ashamed of our elected officials notadmblnd Aug 2014 #119

I have never been more ashamed, and that is saying a lot. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #247

+1 Scuba Aug 2014 #268

"one Israeli life is worth more than a thousand Palestinian lives." EX500rider Aug 2014 #136

Rockets are only symbolic? delete_bush Aug 2014 #252

It's really a simple question. We just watched a month long brutal assault sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #8

Not one Israeli child with a scratch....300 dead, thousands wounded and traumatized....do the math. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #10

Any number of civilians killed in a military conflict is tragic onenote Aug 2014 #24

What was the number of children killed? The last report I saw sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #34

Again any number is tragic. onenote Aug 2014 #38

I saw a number of over 400. How many would be acceptable? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #111

None are acceptable. onenote Aug 2014 #129

If you stated to me that 120-200 Israeli children had been killed sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #251

While you are busy splitting hairs, any 'civilized society' louis-t Aug 2014 #103

So because lots of children died nothing that preceded it matters Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #70

The Palestinians should defend themselves get the red out Aug 2014 #89

Do you know what initiated this latest assault on the Palestinians? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #102

+100 840high Aug 2014 #214

Why do I keep seeing the same talking points over and over again? Are you saying sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #94

Decent people don't use children as shields Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #106

Decent people don't bomb desely populated areas where they know there sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #115

The world sees Hamas for the monsters they are Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #124

Well put +1000 (n/t) leftynyc Aug 2014 #135

"Hamas" is not the same thing as "Palestinians". Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #144

Actually you need to look at what the world's reaction to this really is. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #197

That's funny, because the people screaming about human shields are JoeyT Aug 2014 #212

And speaking of human shields, hat tip to DUer Bravenak in this thread for reminding me sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #254

Watch this video and then decide who the monsters are brush Aug 2014 #217

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Aug 2014 #227

........ daleanime Aug 2014 #267

"Decent people don't bomb densely populated areas" EX500rider Aug 2014 #139

You are right. And FDR was a very decent man. And Harry Truman was a decent man even totodeinhere Aug 2014 #166

FDR wasn't a decent man. Nor was Truman. The population bombing in WWII was mass murder. Vattel Aug 2014 #230

So does that mean all 2 million service men.. EX500rider Aug 2014 #232

no, it doesn't mean that Vattel Aug 2014 #234

So the guy who drops the bombs gets a pass... EX500rider Aug 2014 #235

Soldiers rarely have anywhere near the information available to those at the top Vattel Aug 2014 #236

Are you comparing Hitler to the Palestinians? Your question is so off this topic I am sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #239

You said "decent people don't bomb civilians" EX500rider Aug 2014 #253

Is Netanyahu a decent man? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Aug 2014 #226

The IDF fought for the RIGHT to CONTINUE using children as shields. bravenak Aug 2014 #178

Thank you, I remember reading about that. About the IDF using children as shields sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #240

You're welcome. I felt like i was screaming it from the moon.nt bravenak Aug 2014 #241

It's a very important point that needs to be stated to refute the talking point that sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #243

Please do. bravenak Aug 2014 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #244

Thank you, Bravenak, for this. Israel has no moral authority regarding the Big Lie of human shields. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #291

You're welcome. And no, they don't have a monopoly on morals. bravenak Aug 2014 #298

I guess you haven't kept up Unknown Beatle Aug 2014 #195

Because Hamas was hiding in them SnakeEyes Aug 2014 #218

Seems like it worked like a charm leftynyc Aug 2014 #134

Like Israel? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #50

how about MFM008 Aug 2014 #186

Watch the video on this link . . . brush Aug 2014 #215

Under what circumstances do Palestinians have the right to self-defense? Scootaloo Aug 2014 #250

The current death toll is approx 1,800 Palistenian civilians including hundreds of children to rhett o rick Aug 2014 #264

The death of innocent civilians is tragic and to be avoided onenote Aug 2014 #270

thank you onenote. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #308

Lobbing rockets at random isn't defense. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #201

If that's all they have, after they were attacked by Netanyahu, he DID start this as you know sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #265

Do Palestinians have the right to encourage child martyrdom? FrodosPet Aug 2014 #224

This show has issues with its translation. Galraedia Aug 2014 #229

Civilians in Israel Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #17

Even if you're saying that Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #39

They would be future soldiers then Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #83

And even if they don't serve because of objections/exceptions, they still pay taxes... NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #202

And nobody believes that Israeli slaughter of innocent children is anything short of a war crime. DanTex Aug 2014 #33

That's not much of an argument. Are you trying to rationalize the killing of hundreds of rhett o rick Aug 2014 #263

Nits make lice. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #113

Fred's mistakes Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #133

If Americans were imprisoned by a racist and hostile enemy cpwm17 Aug 2014 #4

I don't think that's true oberliner Aug 2014 #29

But what if the US government were to respond to a few radicals sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #41

I oppose killing civilians oberliner Aug 2014 #59

We agree, I oppose it also, from all sides. So what can be done in this situation? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #121

Most palestinians not alligned with hamas SnakeEyes Aug 2014 #219

I'll be honest, and get flamed The Green Manalishi Aug 2014 #116

And if it was an Israeli bomb that landed on your home and killed, eg, eight or so sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #273

Most Americans supported the unprovoked attack against Iraq cpwm17 Aug 2014 #44

Most Palestinians oppose attacks on Israeli civilians oberliner Aug 2014 #53

Apparently you don't cpwm17 Aug 2014 #73

Huh? oberliner Aug 2014 #108

Your posts here on DU don't seem to reflect that. n/t cpwm17 Aug 2014 #110

Please direct me to any post of mine that expresses support for Israel attacking Gaza oberliner Aug 2014 #114

The Israeli Dahiya doctrine Unknown Beatle Aug 2014 #200

How many Americans support our unmanned drone attacks that have killed civilians? totodeinhere Aug 2014 #169

Way too many n/t cpwm17 Aug 2014 #262

False. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #142

This isn't about race. Most Palestinians and Israelis are the same race. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2014 #167

I understand that cpwm17 Aug 2014 #170

Actually some are. Still. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2014 #259

Are unguided rocket attacks on civilians "defending themselves"? N/T Taitertots Aug 2014 #7

Are hundreds of dead children a message that maybe you need a defense force sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #11

Yeah, they should dismantle their rockets and create a defensive force Taitertots Aug 2014 #68

What preceded the firing of rockets after more than a year of NO rockets? Do you know? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #85

It doesn't matter what preceded it. Indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian targets are not... Taitertots Aug 2014 #99

Israel attacked Gaza, then the rockets started back up Marrah_G Aug 2014 #112

This is not true SnakeEyes Aug 2014 #220

No, they didn't. Netanyahu used the disappearance of three young Israelis as excuse to raid Gaza sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #266

Neither is an Israeli commando team storming the Krav Mara and killing civilians. Maedhros Aug 2014 #149

Exactly, isn't that what I have tried to say? 'Indiscriminate attacks on civilian sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #248

Symbolic resistance...what is the result of these rockets, someone should know..... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12

Symbolic resistance by firing rockets randomly without any effort to strike a military target. onenote Aug 2014 #26

You would rather they had guided missiles, your logic is fatally flawed. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #28

Your imagination is fertile, but corrupted. onenote Aug 2014 #32

Then why did Bibi reject the united Palestinian government that was ready to negotiate, just this Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #35

Did Hamas indicate it would recognize Israel's right to exist? onenote Aug 2014 #40

Of course, set preconditions, do not talk, bombs away....kill the children terrorists! Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #49

I guess we disagree then. I think recognizing your adversary's right to exist is legitimate onenote Aug 2014 #52

Because I see hundreds of dead children because of preconditions to talking....you do not. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #54

When was the last time Israel recognized Palestinian right to exist? louis-t Aug 2014 #88

sure, that's reasonable.. 2banon Aug 2014 #155

So then the Israeli 'guided' ones are purposely targeting civilians? JaydenD Aug 2014 #163

Yes. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #260

How do tunnels into Israel fit into that equation? nt hack89 Aug 2014 #9

Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves? Yes or no. It's a simple question. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #13

Sure. They can have defensive weapons like rifles, machine guns and anti-tank missiles hack89 Aug 2014 #16

except they don't have anti-tank, anti-aircraft, anti-ship type weapons Marrah_G Aug 2014 #20

I Would Disagree, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #25

The status quo is ok, I guess. hack89 Aug 2014 #55

But plenty of Palestinians are no big deal? Marrah_G Aug 2014 #78

It is a big deal. But a real war would be a different matter all together hack89 Aug 2014 #92

I Would Agree, Sir, That The Present Leadership, Of Hamas Particularly The Magistrate Aug 2014 #95

Can Israel have offensive weapons like rockets? And if Palestinians were imprisoning sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #47

Do you want Hamas to be able to wage a true conventional war against Israel? hack89 Aug 2014 #63

I honestly don't understand how you think Marrah_G Aug 2014 #87

You put water on fires, not gasoline. hack89 Aug 2014 #96

The same can be said about Israel though Marrah_G Aug 2014 #109

"Real war?" What do you call the events of the past month? Skidmore Aug 2014 #118

War like in Syria hack89 Aug 2014 #137

I see. Skidmore Aug 2014 #141

It is very naive to think ... hack89 Aug 2014 #174

What I want is some recognition of the fact that Skidmore Aug 2014 #190

The people of Gaza are paying a heavy price for some poor choices hack89 Aug 2014 #191

The same formula used in the Warsaw ghetto, prisoners trying to escape...wouldn't you? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #14

They were not for escaping. They were for attacking. hack89 Aug 2014 #19

And you think killing 300 children and turning a city into the moon is a good thing in response? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #23

We are talking about the tunnels remember? nt hack89 Aug 2014 #37

Gee whiz, how rude of me to talk about the dead children....so sorry. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #42

So Hamas diverted tons of material and money from building civilian infrastructure to build tunnels hack89 Aug 2014 #69

Well it is impossible for those tunnels to be used for delivering food and medicine Rex Aug 2014 #75

That is related to the question of whether or not Palestinians have a right to defend sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #51

So how are tunnels into Israel self defense? hack89 Aug 2014 #65

Sure, no way they are getting supplies (food and medicine) through those tunnels. Rex Aug 2014 #71

Demonization, even of children, is the evil embraced as policy....it is evil. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #74

I just find it curious how the most obvious use is getting ignored for Rex Aug 2014 #81

The smuggling tunnels go into Egypt hack89 Aug 2014 #276

What would Americans do if they were imprisoned on a small piece of land? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #72

No sorry, those tunnels are evil incarnate. The Palestinians should be forced to stay Rex Aug 2014 #84

We could play this game forever, in fact I suspect it HAS been played over and over sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #238

Because of Hamas hack89 Aug 2014 #245

Why? Because they have a predilection for bombing shit and kidnapping TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #294

Why do you think the Palestinians are angry in the first place? They didn't just one day sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #295

They were angry in the first place because Israel is there and that is not negotiable so what now? TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #306

Well, what you are saying is that this is a permanent situation. That only violence can sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #307

I'm trying to find the number of Israeli's killed by people using the tunnels into Israel Marrah_G Aug 2014 #66

Answer is Zero, Zero and Zero. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #77

No, the answer is not zero. EX500rider Aug 2014 #147

Sorry, just a tad above zero....I apologize, meant in recent history, not ancient. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #179

4 of those were in 2014....how is that "ancient"? EX500rider Aug 2014 #205

Zero children, versus 2000 dead civilians, 300 children. The math is indisputable, indefensible. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #207

Such tunnels would basically be a one time deal hack89 Aug 2014 #86

The resistance from the Warsaw ghetto was not directed at German civilians. onenote Aug 2014 #30

Not surprising. The Warsaw ghetto didn't have much access to German civilians. Rozlee Aug 2014 #237

Wow. And wow again. onenote Aug 2014 #242

A rose by any other name. Rozlee Aug 2014 #255

and whoosh..there goes your devotion to proportionality onenote Aug 2014 #269

That is NOT what the poster said, not even close. Please do not put words sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #278

The poster treated the "mass exterminations" suffered by Jews as comparable to the onenote Aug 2014 #279

And therein lies the rub. Rozlee Aug 2014 #281

Here is a solution I think should satisfy all Hamas shills and sympathizers. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #15

I'd like to see the Hamas lovers respond to this! Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #18

I wish Israel would lob unguided rockets into all of the Gaza strip randomly...no problem...about Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #27

Better Technology = Unfair 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #76

National military armed to the teeth versus a militia in prison...take off the blinders. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #82

Who me or Hamas? 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #101

Pro-Likud propaganda. Maedhros Aug 2014 #151

Asking Leaders to think of Their People First is propaganda? 4Q2u2 Aug 2014 #277

What did they expect? Not the guilt free slaughter of hundreds of babies and children. Only a Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #185

The Palestinians are under a brutal occupation cpwm17 Aug 2014 #31

You say Israel is the aggressor like it's a fact Dreamer Tatum Aug 2014 #145

What happens if a Palestinian goes more than three miles off of his own coast? cpwm17 Aug 2014 #154

Yes, he is. Maedhros Aug 2014 #153

Thank you for that cpwm17 Aug 2014 #160

Apparently so. Post I replied to no longer appears. Weird. [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2014 #173

Great Idea! BKH70041 Aug 2014 #48

Your facts are wrong BainsBane Aug 2014 #56

I have mentioned Hamas firing rockets. I pointed out that Hamas had not fired rockets sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #57

its really easy to justify things SnakeEyes Aug 2014 #221

Well, random fire would probably be less damaging than targeted strikes at schools and hospitals. DanTex Aug 2014 #79

as opposed to what -- women/babykilling sympathizers and supporters stupidicus Aug 2014 #128

You mean like the Japanese defended themselves from the US fleet at Pearl Harbor? Fozzledick Aug 2014 #21

How about both sides having a 'right to defend themselves' that doesn't involve Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #22

Good post, I agree with that. Go the political route. Now is a good time to do that imo. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #64

Israel would not cooperate with the ICC and nor would it hand over anyone found guilty by them Marrah_G Aug 2014 #104

Yes the people of Gaza have a right to defend themselves. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #36

Thank you, I agree with that. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #61

Your welcome. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #62

correct posting Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #148

Israel is not justified on firing on civilians when they know they are there. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #150

the difference between the supposed crimes. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #172

The fact how many deaths are fighters is contested. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #177

Not so clear. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #183

So! The NYT is not the decider of fact. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #187

Only one side has the right to be militarized malaise Aug 2014 #43

Good point. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #152

"I believe everyone has a right to defend themselves." Garthem Aug 2014 #58

A question: onenote Aug 2014 #60

If they were in an open air prison with 3 exits, surrounded by enemies, you left that part out.... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #67

Does a prison have a large library SnakeEyes Aug 2014 #222

It also has no power plant and a lunar landscape.....tourist attractions? You with The Onion? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #223

It WAS. But the US Govt overpowered them. Maybe if they had had more powerful sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #97

I"ve stated what i think several times: onenote Aug 2014 #131

Sure, when attacked or under threat of attack. Igel Aug 2014 #91

Whoever is the aggressor in a war has no such right of "defense'" since they are the OFFense. Pick WinkyDink Aug 2014 #93

So who is the aggressor in this situation? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #100

Have you not your own opinion? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #182

If you start a fight and get your ass kicked, can you continue to fight and claim self defense? badtoworse Aug 2014 #107

Well, Netanyahu started this fight, by lying about the three young men who were sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #123

I differentiate between rhetoric and actual aggressive action badtoworse Aug 2014 #126

Well, Israel is constantly the aggressor with respect to Palestine. DanTex Aug 2014 #192

So who actually started shooting? badtoworse Aug 2014 #208

IDF started shooting. Operation Brother's Keeper was a military raid in the West Bank. DanTex Aug 2014 #211

The article doesn't provide any details about the shootings badtoworse Aug 2014 #274

So, what, you don't think they happened? DanTex Aug 2014 #275

A lot of things happened and I don't dispute that those people were killed. badtoworse Aug 2014 #283

Tell it to the OP. You made MY point. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #181

They Count on Sympathy ProgressiveJarhead Aug 2014 #98

K&R Thanks for posting this! mwrguy Aug 2014 #105

There was a time when they refused to speak out against tobacco. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #122

Cannot allow civilians deaths to go unpunished. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #125

Funny how the ones actually doing the killing are 100% blameless. arcane1 Aug 2014 #132

I read that post and laughed at the ridiculousness of what that poster wrote notadmblnd Aug 2014 #156

blame Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #157

Tell me this is sarcasm. DanTex Aug 2014 #143

False. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #159

Well, if you count all of the additional deaths that Israel has caused by the inevitable DanTex Aug 2014 #164

crime by inspiration Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #168

Actually, I blame the person doing the murdering. DanTex Aug 2014 #171

Murder due to inspiration vs. Murder due to human shields. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #176

Both are indirectly causing murders. DanTex Aug 2014 #180

Murder as defined by law. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #188

The ratio is not irrelevant to me, nor to any impartial observer. DanTex Aug 2014 #189

I myself am not shocked that there are gullible people. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #228

I doubt your hypothetical 9-11 claims. DanTex Aug 2014 #258

cowardly censorship Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #299

You didn't answer my question. Are you an NRA member? DanTex Aug 2014 #304

Human shields, what do you think of people who fight for the right sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #271

And, we have a right to defend Palestinians through non-violent means. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #127

not enough non-violent means. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #162

Which we need more non-violent means which could be effective. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #165

accidentally aiding terrorists. Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #175

Yeah, the US needs to stop funding Israeli state terrorism immediately. DanTex Aug 2014 #261

As of this date . . . Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #300

Yeah, and Dick Cheney wasn't either. DanTex Aug 2014 #303

I don't think i have seen you post anything positive on DU. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #138

You don't think that acknowledging that everyone has the same rights is 'positive'? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #193

Well then you must not read this site much. Rex Aug 2014 #203

you gotta be careful Sabrina RedstDem Aug 2014 #140

To which "fascist trolls" do you refer? MineralMan Aug 2014 #158

They can't both be on the defensive, unless there is a 3rd Party involved. Otherwise, it's detente. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #184

Lol, well I am not too concerned about name calling, been called everything by Right Wingers sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #194

Everyone does. deathrind Aug 2014 #146

:^( Adam051188 Aug 2014 #161

Love him. Thanks for the video. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #198

Who's arguing otherwise? Nobody's condemned them for shooting back at Israel's invading forces Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #196

If you read the OP you will see why I felt the need to make the statement. If you can sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #199

That was the point of this thread and so far I havent heard it either randys1 Aug 2014 #206

Yes. They do. They should have built a wall about 60 years JDPriestly Aug 2014 #210

Good post. 840high Aug 2014 #216

Both sides insist on their "right to defend themselves." Both also want to be treated like a wounded chrisa Aug 2014 #213

No comparison Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #231

...^ that 840high Aug 2014 #249

Reommend! I haven't heard any Elected Official make that statement... KoKo Aug 2014 #225

Every living thing has that right. davidthegnome Aug 2014 #280

That is an excellent post, should be an OP on its own There is nothing I can add except sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #284

Common sense should prevail. davidthegnome Aug 2014 #288

An Israeli death by a Palestinian is on the front page swilton Aug 2014 #282

If the Palestinian deaths are all the fault of Hamas, why does the media hide them? Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #293

that is because Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #301

would any of you Israeli apologists support the same destruction of a building or.. politicman Aug 2014 #285

That argument, that Hamas forced the IDF to kill children, is one of the least sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #286

we are still seeing it because Israeli apologists are well trained propagandists. politicman Aug 2014 #287

Well, if anyone thinks that is the way to persuade people to support them, I think sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #290

Let's say . . . Ahmed Aftab Aug 2014 #302

They do. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #292

K&R woo me with science Aug 2014 #305