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In reply to the discussion: Palestinians Have a Right to Defend Themselves! [View all]cpwm17
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Lobbing rockets by the thousands, two deaths, lobbing missiles and artillery, 2000 deaths.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#1
If by defending themselves you mean firing rockets at civilians with no strategic defensive purpose.
onenote
Aug 2014
#5
The vast majority of unguided rockets go no where near populated sites, the ones that are, the few,
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#6
So are you saying that the Israelis don't have the right to intercept those missiles?
onenote
Aug 2014
#45
So you are saying you want to switch the talk away from 300 dead children as an appropriate
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#46
So if one or more of these "mostly symbolic" rockets makes it through the Israeli defense
onenote
Aug 2014
#209
What do you mean 'they are put exactly where they think Israel won't strike'??
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#289
Of course, they imply Palestinian lives do not matter, only Israeli children are precious. Evil.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#90
Not one Israeli child with a scratch....300 dead, thousands wounded and traumatized....do the math.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#10
Why do I keep seeing the same talking points over and over again? Are you saying
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#94
And speaking of human shields, hat tip to DUer Bravenak in this thread for reminding me
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#254
You are right. And FDR was a very decent man. And Harry Truman was a decent man even
totodeinhere
Aug 2014
#166
FDR wasn't a decent man. Nor was Truman. The population bombing in WWII was mass murder.
Vattel
Aug 2014
#230
Soldiers rarely have anywhere near the information available to those at the top
Vattel
Aug 2014
#236
Are you comparing Hitler to the Palestinians? Your question is so off this topic I am
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#239
Thank you, I remember reading about that. About the IDF using children as shields
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#240
It's a very important point that needs to be stated to refute the talking point that
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#243
Thank you, Bravenak, for this. Israel has no moral authority regarding the Big Lie of human shields.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#291
The current death toll is approx 1,800 Palistenian civilians including hundreds of children to
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#264
If that's all they have, after they were attacked by Netanyahu, he DID start this as you know
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#265
And even if they don't serve because of objections/exceptions, they still pay taxes...
NutmegYankee
Aug 2014
#202
And nobody believes that Israeli slaughter of innocent children is anything short of a war crime.
DanTex
Aug 2014
#33
That's not much of an argument. Are you trying to rationalize the killing of hundreds of
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#263
We agree, I oppose it also, from all sides. So what can be done in this situation?
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#121
And if it was an Israeli bomb that landed on your home and killed, eg, eight or so
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#273
Please direct me to any post of mine that expresses support for Israel attacking Gaza
oberliner
Aug 2014
#114
How many Americans support our unmanned drone attacks that have killed civilians?
totodeinhere
Aug 2014
#169
This isn't about race. Most Palestinians and Israelis are the same race. n/t
totodeinhere
Aug 2014
#167
What preceded the firing of rockets after more than a year of NO rockets? Do you know?
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#85
It doesn't matter what preceded it. Indiscriminate rocket attacks on civilian targets are not...
Taitertots
Aug 2014
#99
No, they didn't. Netanyahu used the disappearance of three young Israelis as excuse to raid Gaza
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#266
Neither is an Israeli commando team storming the Krav Mara and killing civilians.
Maedhros
Aug 2014
#149
Exactly, isn't that what I have tried to say? 'Indiscriminate attacks on civilian
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#248
Symbolic resistance...what is the result of these rockets, someone should know.....
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#12
Symbolic resistance by firing rockets randomly without any effort to strike a military target.
onenote
Aug 2014
#26
Then why did Bibi reject the united Palestinian government that was ready to negotiate, just this
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#35
Of course, set preconditions, do not talk, bombs away....kill the children terrorists!
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#49
I guess we disagree then. I think recognizing your adversary's right to exist is legitimate
onenote
Aug 2014
#52
Because I see hundreds of dead children because of preconditions to talking....you do not.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#54
Do Palestinians have a right to defend themselves? Yes or no. It's a simple question.
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#13
Sure. They can have defensive weapons like rifles, machine guns and anti-tank missiles
hack89
Aug 2014
#16
Can Israel have offensive weapons like rockets? And if Palestinians were imprisoning
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#47
The same formula used in the Warsaw ghetto, prisoners trying to escape...wouldn't you?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#14
And you think killing 300 children and turning a city into the moon is a good thing in response?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#23
So Hamas diverted tons of material and money from building civilian infrastructure to build tunnels
hack89
Aug 2014
#69
Well it is impossible for those tunnels to be used for delivering food and medicine
Rex
Aug 2014
#75
That is related to the question of whether or not Palestinians have a right to defend
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#51
Demonization, even of children, is the evil embraced as policy....it is evil.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#74
No sorry, those tunnels are evil incarnate. The Palestinians should be forced to stay
Rex
Aug 2014
#84
We could play this game forever, in fact I suspect it HAS been played over and over
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#238
Why do you think the Palestinians are angry in the first place? They didn't just one day
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#295
They were angry in the first place because Israel is there and that is not negotiable so what now?
TheKentuckian
Aug 2014
#306
Well, what you are saying is that this is a permanent situation. That only violence can
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#307
I'm trying to find the number of Israeli's killed by people using the tunnels into Israel
Marrah_G
Aug 2014
#66
Sorry, just a tad above zero....I apologize, meant in recent history, not ancient.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#179
Zero children, versus 2000 dead civilians, 300 children. The math is indisputable, indefensible.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#207
The poster treated the "mass exterminations" suffered by Jews as comparable to the
onenote
Aug 2014
#279
Here is a solution I think should satisfy all Hamas shills and sympathizers.
Dreamer Tatum
Aug 2014
#15
I wish Israel would lob unguided rockets into all of the Gaza strip randomly...no problem...about
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#27
National military armed to the teeth versus a militia in prison...take off the blinders.
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#82
What did they expect? Not the guilt free slaughter of hundreds of babies and children. Only a
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#185
I have mentioned Hamas firing rockets. I pointed out that Hamas had not fired rockets
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#57
Well, random fire would probably be less damaging than targeted strikes at schools and hospitals.
DanTex
Aug 2014
#79
You mean like the Japanese defended themselves from the US fleet at Pearl Harbor?
Fozzledick
Aug 2014
#21
How about both sides having a 'right to defend themselves' that doesn't involve
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Aug 2014
#22
Good post, I agree with that. Go the political route. Now is a good time to do that imo.
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#64
Israel would not cooperate with the ICC and nor would it hand over anyone found guilty by them
Marrah_G
Aug 2014
#104
Israel is not justified on firing on civilians when they know they are there.
hrmjustin
Aug 2014
#150
If they were in an open air prison with 3 exits, surrounded by enemies, you left that part out....
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#67
It also has no power plant and a lunar landscape.....tourist attractions? You with The Onion?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#223
It WAS. But the US Govt overpowered them. Maybe if they had had more powerful
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#97
Whoever is the aggressor in a war has no such right of "defense'" since they are the OFFense. Pick
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#93
If you start a fight and get your ass kicked, can you continue to fight and claim self defense?
badtoworse
Aug 2014
#107
Well, Netanyahu started this fight, by lying about the three young men who were
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#123
IDF started shooting. Operation Brother's Keeper was a military raid in the West Bank.
DanTex
Aug 2014
#211
A lot of things happened and I don't dispute that those people were killed.
badtoworse
Aug 2014
#283
I read that post and laughed at the ridiculousness of what that poster wrote
notadmblnd
Aug 2014
#156
Well, if you count all of the additional deaths that Israel has caused by the inevitable
DanTex
Aug 2014
#164
And, we have a right to defend Palestinians through non-violent means.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2014
#127
You don't think that acknowledging that everyone has the same rights is 'positive'?
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#193
They can't both be on the defensive, unless there is a 3rd Party involved. Otherwise, it's detente.
WinkyDink
Aug 2014
#184
Lol, well I am not too concerned about name calling, been called everything by Right Wingers
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#194
Who's arguing otherwise? Nobody's condemned them for shooting back at Israel's invading forces
Hippo_Tron
Aug 2014
#196
If you read the OP you will see why I felt the need to make the statement. If you can
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#199
Both sides insist on their "right to defend themselves." Both also want to be treated like a wounded
chrisa
Aug 2014
#213
That is an excellent post, should be an OP on its own There is nothing I can add except
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#284
If the Palestinian deaths are all the fault of Hamas, why does the media hide them?
Fred Sanders
Aug 2014
#293
would any of you Israeli apologists support the same destruction of a building or..
politicman
Aug 2014
#285
That argument, that Hamas forced the IDF to kill children, is one of the least
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#286
we are still seeing it because Israeli apologists are well trained propagandists.
politicman
Aug 2014
#287
Well, if anyone thinks that is the way to persuade people to support them, I think
sabrina 1
Aug 2014
#290