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In reply to the discussion: Letter from Gaza by a Norwegian doctor, "this,THIS cannot continue." [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)58. that is absolute bullshite -and Nazi Germany did actively support the Jewish settlement in Palestine
Last edited Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:54 PM - Edit history (3)
This from the Simon Wiesenthal Center - hardly a pro-Palestinian sourcehttp://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395105
snip:"Germany's Palestine policy between 1933 and 1940 was based on a fundamental acceptance of the post-World War I status quo in the Middle East. For different reasons, the Hitler regime continued in the footsteps of the various Weimar governments by identifying German interests with the postwar settlement in Palestine. That settlement embodied a growing Jewish presence and homeland in Palestine, as well as the establishment of British imperial power over Palestine and the Middle East. It also represented a denial of Arab claims to national self-determination and independence in Palestine and throughout the Middle East. Between 1933 and 1940, German policy encouraged and actively promoted Jewish emigration to Palestine, recognized and respected Britain's imperial interests throughout the Middle East and remained largely indifferent to the ideals and aims of Arab nationalism. (p. 201)"
Snip:"The relationship between Nazi Germany and the Palestine Question of the 1930s is widely misunderstood. Except for a few scholars here and there, this subject lends itself to a pervasive kind of misconception: we tend to read the Nazi policies of World War II back into the 1930s. The Nazis' "Final Solution of the Jewish Question," their pro-Arab attitudes, and their battle against Great Britain makes it difficult for most of us to imagine that before the war the Nazis, even the SS, aided the illegal immigration of Jews into Palestine, and that Hitler so feared British displeasure that he absolutely prohibited German support for the Arabs of the Palestine mandate. Yet this is exactly what Francis R. Nicosia has described and proved in his excellent scholarly study.
Nicosia clearly shows in his impressive introductory chapter that Germany's policy on Palestine remained unchanged from the late Empire through the Weimar Republic. German policy makers supported Zionist efforts because they recognized that Zionism could be an effective instrument of German foreign policy. During the 1930s, the Nazis continued this traditional policy because they wanted to use Zionism and please the British.
snip: Nicosia examines the role of the SS, and it is noteworthy that there was some cooperation between the SS and the Revisionist Zionists in the period 1933-1937. There is of course some logic to this, since the SS recognized that the Revisionists were vigorously pursuing Jewish emigration from Germany to Palestine. This too was the rationale behind the German government's support of the Zionists' agricultural retraining program; incidentally, Nicosia thoughtfully provides a map showing the distribution of the retraining centers (Appendix 11, p. 217). In retrospect, it is difficult for us to imagine that the Nazis encouraged Zionists from Palestine to enter Germany, teach Hebrew, educate German Jews about Palestine, and even display the blue and white Jewish national flag; the Revisionist Zionists even wore uniforms. Clearly this was all done for the promotion of purely German domestic and economic ends, with no concern for the Palestine situation itself.
snip:"Most Arabs never realized that the Nazis viewed them as racially inferior and that Germany was directly responsible for the increase in Jewish immigration during the 1930s. It was the Arabs, especially Palestinian Arab leaders like Haj Amin al-Husayni, the Mufti of Jerusalem, who openly made their pro-German feelings known. But Nicosia's analysis of the scholarly biographies of the Mufti shows that these biographies cannot be relied on for an accurate account of Nazi Germany's involvement in Palestine (p. 250, n. 3). Like others, I had relied on these biographies; now I must, however, agree with Nicosia's conclusion that Germany was not involved in the Arab Jewish conflict in Palestine of 1936-1937.
link to full article:
Palestine and Nazi Germany
by Sara Reguer
Francis R. Nicosia. The Third Reich and the Palestine Question. Austin: Texas University Press, 1985. xiv, 319 pages.
link: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395105
Thousands of Palestinians fought on the side of the British during World War II. Though the Mufti clearly did support Hitler as did many nationalist leaders throughout the former colonial world, it would be completely anti-historic to say the Palestinians supported the Nazis. Following that logic the leadership of the Stern Gang and the Irgun who were attacking the British in Palestine while Britain was in a state of war against Nazi Germany would make the Zionist movement partially responsible for the holocaust. But, I would not go that far. To suggest the Palestinians as a people had something to do with the holocaust is not only completely anti-historic it is downright reprehensible
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Sorry, but you have lost the propaganda war, drowned in the rivers of blood of innocents.
Fred Sanders
Jul 2014
#9
Larger Context? Squeezed and starved and controlled. How does that fit in to your picture?
vanlassie
Jul 2014
#13
Math don't lie, and of course a nation can do all kinds of things that a militia in a prison can not
Fred Sanders
Jul 2014
#14
that is absolute bullshite -and Nazi Germany did actively support the Jewish settlement in Palestine
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2014
#58
Actually, you're WRONG. Israel notified the people they were coming. The cops didnt.
7962
Jul 2014
#46
Just stop, PLEASE! This horror requires all decent people to stop trying to turn us away
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#67
We aren't claiming certainty about who shot down flight 17 even with overwhelming evidence yet we
kelliekat44
Jul 2014
#16
When you target a heavily civilian populated area you are targeting civilians, period.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#70