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In reply to the discussion: Seralini Redux: Roundup-Ready GMO Maize Causes Serious Health Damage [View all]mike_c
(36,887 posts)4. LOL-- it's a self pay-to-publish online "junk journal" with an impact factor of zero....
It's a junk journal. The paper was NOT republished by any of the journals that have rejected it. It was published by an advocacy "journal"-- for a fee-- with pretty much zero scientific credibility. Seralini paid them handsomely to publish it, and he doesn't even get a printed copy, LOL!
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2014/06/25/examining-environmental-sciences-europe-journal-that-re-published-seralini-study/
Environmental Sciences Europe therefore levies an article-processing charge of £730/$1220/880 for each article accepted for publication.
The journal, part of SpringerOpen, is too young to have an official Impact Factor (IF). Using the same calculation, however, the journal would have an IF of .55. That would place it about 190th out of the 210 journals in the environmental sciences category at Thomson Scientific. (For comparison, Food and Chemical Toxicology has an IF of just above 3, and a ranking of 27th.)
Seralini appears to have quite an ego to sustain, and the retraction from an okay journal must have hit pretty hard. It was almost certain that hed attempt to republish the work but it isnt going to a decent journal.
ESEU is perceived by scientists as having an ideological slant against genetic modification. Folta describes ESEU as a journal with a less-than-rigorous grasp on reality, a clear anti-biotech slant, and the journal that has published such duds as Benbrooks famous paper on increasing pesticide use that used interpolated and extrapolated data (because actual numbers didnt exist). He elaborates:
It boils down to thisif these data were significant, if the experiments were good, and the interpretations sound, this would not be buried in the depths of a crappy journal. If there was hard evidence that our food supply truly caused tumors, it would be on the New England Journal of Medicine, Science, Nature, or maybe Cell if he wanted to go slumming. But its not there. It is in a tiny, obscure journal that has quite a visible agenda, and thats the only thing visible about it.
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The journal, part of SpringerOpen, is too young to have an official Impact Factor (IF). Using the same calculation, however, the journal would have an IF of .55. That would place it about 190th out of the 210 journals in the environmental sciences category at Thomson Scientific. (For comparison, Food and Chemical Toxicology has an IF of just above 3, and a ranking of 27th.)
Seralini appears to have quite an ego to sustain, and the retraction from an okay journal must have hit pretty hard. It was almost certain that hed attempt to republish the work but it isnt going to a decent journal.
ESEU is perceived by scientists as having an ideological slant against genetic modification. Folta describes ESEU as a journal with a less-than-rigorous grasp on reality, a clear anti-biotech slant, and the journal that has published such duds as Benbrooks famous paper on increasing pesticide use that used interpolated and extrapolated data (because actual numbers didnt exist). He elaborates:
It boils down to thisif these data were significant, if the experiments were good, and the interpretations sound, this would not be buried in the depths of a crappy journal. If there was hard evidence that our food supply truly caused tumors, it would be on the New England Journal of Medicine, Science, Nature, or maybe Cell if he wanted to go slumming. But its not there. It is in a tiny, obscure journal that has quite a visible agenda, and thats the only thing visible about it.
(emphasis is from the original link)
Interestingly, this is the route that many such anti-GMO papers take-- publish in junk journals ignored by most scientists, because the real audience is the scientifically illiterate woo FUDsters who get their information from advocacy web sites that pick this crap up like it was gold.
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Seralini Redux: Roundup-Ready GMO Maize Causes Serious Health Damage [View all]
appal_jack
Jun 2014
OP
I have not eaten corn or corn products since I first heard of this report, because I figured
djean111
Jun 2014
#3
no-- the rapid push back was because it's a bogus study, (now) published in a fake journal....
mike_c
Jun 2014
#7
Thank you for this crucial background information on the validity of the Seralini study
Crowquette
Jun 2014
#71
LOL-- it's a self pay-to-publish online "junk journal" with an impact factor of zero....
mike_c
Jun 2014
#4
Questioning the messenger is fine, but tiny & obscure journals have their place.
appal_jack
Jun 2014
#17
And having the original study 'retracted' by a mystery panel of corporate shills does not
Chiron
Jun 2014
#35
Yep. Already happened. And I still won't buy anything with corn in it for my family.
djean111
Jun 2014
#9
Your lack of understanding about agricultural science is on glowing display.
blackspade
Jun 2014
#43
So, self publishing a retracted bullshit study that was peer-reviewed and deemed to be bogus
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2014
#12
Oh, they would lump us in with birthers , and still might, since the usual shite is being dismissed.
djean111
Jun 2014
#24
Why is it the largest organic producers and retailers are AGAINST GMO labelling?
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2014
#37
"Peer review" doesn't matter when your corporate handlers are instructing you to make "woo" posts...
villager
Jun 2014
#29
People need to study the history of how the original Seralini study was anonymously undermined
Chiron
Jun 2014
#44
Well, I was very happy to see some Non-GMO Jolly Time popcorn in the grocery store!
factsarenotfair
Jun 2014
#52
Well, honestly, I didn't even compare prices because I was so happy to see it.
factsarenotfair
Jun 2014
#60
Although I do refuse to eat GMO food, there are aspects to this study which I question.
MohRokTah
Jun 2014
#61
Seralini's study was junk science that was properly retracted by Food and Chemical Toxicology...
SidDithers
Jun 2014
#68