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Andy823

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97. I agree and I disagree

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:45 PM

Jun 2014

I do agree with you that if she runs it's all over, she gets the nomination. But until I see who else is running I don't agree that if she doesn't run, then we lose to the republicans. Republicans have a pretty good group of "clowns" running again, and we still have a good chance of winning if the right candidate jumps in. Don't ask me who that would be because right now, until we know for sure who might run, I couldn't name any names. I just think that the way republicans are going, alienating just about every group in the country but the supper rich an corporations, their odds are not going to improve, that's good no matter who runs as the democratic nominee against them.

I do agree though that if she runs, she wins the nomination and the WH.

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New data shows Hillary has tremendous support among liberals, less support among conservative Dems [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 OP

Haven't always been a supporter, but her main selling point for me is the folks who are against her. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #1

Yup Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #6

the think the are good at masquerade! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #36

"Transparent Republican tactics are obvious....and transparent...." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #38

Yes, because those of us a bit further left are Repubicans. Yeah, that's the ticket! Scuba Jun 2014 #54

Curses! Our secret plans for the Romnification of America pscot Jun 2014 #128

Are You Joking? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #67

I suspect you've confused DU Liberals, who may or may not be, with real world liberals. That's..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #75

Obvious billhicks76 Jun 2014 #81

How many? There's no Barack Obama waiting in the wings this time around. Charisma & energy.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #86

The liberals I know think she is far too hawkish & pro-corp, & not liberal enough. peacebird Jun 2014 #2

Agreed, peacebird btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #16

funny this poll shows you your anecdotaL evidence is not reliable VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #18

Romneys polls showed he was going to be President, HRC's polls showed she would be Dem nom '07 peacebird Jun 2014 #23

But these aren't "internal" polls. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2014 #40

I'm 32 years old Stryst Jun 2014 #64

I am 57 and have voted in every election except 1 since I was 18 & have never been called for a poll peacebird Jun 2014 #119

so unless you got polled....its invalid? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #130

I'm sorry Stryst Jun 2014 #134

you realize this is standard and even used scientifically right? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #135

And that's why Stryst Jun 2014 #138

A real poll is more accurate than the people any one person knows treestar Jun 2014 #107

All the people I know who are democrats want Hillary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #3

Hi, my name is Gary, I live in Kansas, I don't want Hillary! Now.... Logical Jun 2014 #5

I meant in real life. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #7

This isn't real life? Armstead Jun 2014 #37

I mean people I know in person. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #78

Not even close FrodosPet Jun 2014 #80

nope, especially on sites where one can remain anonymous JI7 Jun 2014 #91

I only know one Democrat in real life that wants Hillary progressoid Jun 2014 #14

Well here in NYC she is well liked. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #15

DUzy! riqster Jun 2014 #21

more neeners progressoid Jun 2014 #89

LOL, I knew TWO, that is til my dad finally called it quits w/ Hillary after she gave a boost to the fracking industry. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #88

If Hillary runs, it's going to take an extraordinary effort during MineralMan Jun 2014 #4

Hillary had a 40 point lead over Obama at one point! And managed to lose it..... Logical Jun 2014 #8

Yup progressoid Jun 2014 #10

you keep reminding yourself of that......whatever gets you through the night VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #20

Are you saying that is incorrect??? nt Logical Jun 2014 #27

there is only one candidate: Hillary Clinton! neverforget Jun 2014 #77

Yes, that's true. Grassroots efforts won out. MineralMan Jun 2014 #28

I see it very different...... Logical Jun 2014 #79

President Obama is a very charismatic man FrodosPet Jun 2014 #84

True.. and that's why the m$m pushed that he couldn't connect to people.. they went Cha Jun 2014 #93

And yet Mnpaul Jun 2014 #95

Obama was not an uknown, from the time of the 2004 speech he was getting worldwide attention JI7 Jun 2014 #92

Yes he was! Early polling shows he was! Hillary lost a huge lead! nt Logical Jun 2014 #99

early polling showed Hillary has a Pres Lead, but not that OBama was an unknown JI7 Jun 2014 #100

Hillary lost a 40 point lead, that is all you need to know! nt Logical Jun 2014 #101

no, that's too simplistic and ignores Obama's incredible talent JI7 Jun 2014 #102

Well, if no one incredibly talented comes along, Hillary get it! :-) Logical Jun 2014 #103

i'm talking about a specific type of talent that can appeal to large numbers of people JI7 Jun 2014 #104

actually she lost no support dsc Jun 2014 #122

No One Likes A Fake billhicks76 Jun 2014 #71

I agree. Little Star Jun 2014 #9

I agree and I disagree Andy823 Jun 2014 #97

None of the liberals I know are enthused about her AT ALL.... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #11

exceptions dont change the rule VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #22

ALL the liberals I know leftynyc Jun 2014 #29

The liberals I know will mostly vote for her, but they'll probably campaign for someone... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #43

Me me me Iliyah Jun 2014 #83

This website has gone so far leftynyc Jun 2014 #118

So MSM has redifined the word liberal to include right leaning centrists. What a surprise. nt Zorra Jun 2014 #12

can you prove that is in play here.....or is this off the top of your head? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #24

Maybe. Do you consider yourself a liberal? nt Zorra Jun 2014 #65

of course I do..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #129

But you appear to enthusiastically support a potential pro-corporate Zorra Jun 2014 #132

I support whoever wins the democratic primary....dont you? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #133

Yeah, I will vote for her in the GE if she's nominated, in the hope she turns on her bankster Zorra Jun 2014 #136

I'm sure they're using self-described liberals leftynyc Jun 2014 #31

...and therein lies the problem... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #45

No - it's not a problem at all leftynyc Jun 2014 #126

The irony here is that neither are liberals... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #127

The 'Liberal' brand isn't pure enough, so it will have to be discarded by some now: freshwest Jun 2014 #13

This is one LIBERAL they didn't poll. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #17

awwww.....then i guess that proves it! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #30

Um, who exactly are these conservative Dems supporting? KamaAina Jun 2014 #19

She makes MLK look like Ayn Rand! nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #25

tell the truth you never read Ayn Rand VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #32

Any excuse to nudge us more rightward. Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #26

how so? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33

I'm saying that I've read How to Lie With Statistics Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #41

apoor excuse is better than none i suppose VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #44

"just like a good ideologue"....you must be irony-deficient mate... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #46

a realist like myself can compromise VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #48

Yup... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #51

In all fairness VR is a gal not a guy, but the rest is correct /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #55

I stand corrected...thanks truebrit71 Jun 2014 #57

Did I say that? I said I don't put much faith in opinion polls; Full Stop. I referenced a poll Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #56

She may well find greater support among self described left leaning liberals, vs an unknown Ed Suspicious Jun 2014 #63

Republicans didn't put much stock into the 2012 polls either Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #73

So Much Faith In Polls billhicks76 Jun 2014 #76

Yea, screw this 2014 election crap. Time to move on to 2016. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #34

THIS! Raine1967 Jun 2014 #98

Vs. what other candidates? Scootaloo Jun 2014 #35

Then there's a problem with the modern definition of liberal whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #39

The modern definition of liberal is neoliberal, so there is that. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #60

Yup whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #61

LOL Egnever Jun 2014 #42

Liberal apprently = center/right bowens43 Jun 2014 #47

I'm a liberal yet... TRoN33 Jun 2014 #49

Anyone attacking Hillary from the left..... raindaddy Jun 2014 #50

WOW!! Would have thought the opposite!! SkyDaddy7 Jun 2014 #52

Checkmate, liberals!! beerandjesus Jun 2014 #53

If you read the article, it's actually the centrists who have been checkmated Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #70

this is why i self identify as progressive rather than liberal.. frylock Jun 2014 #58

That's what I see too. laundry_queen Jun 2014 #72

It used to mean the center-left Chathamization Jun 2014 #94

She has a problem with this liberal Android3.14 Jun 2014 #59

Well, then, why so relentlessly panties-twisted and rude about those of us who do not djean111 Jun 2014 #62

^^ this. nt laundry_queen Jun 2014 #74

+1 beerandjesus Jun 2014 #123

Maybe this is why former Gov. Brian Schwitzer (D-MT) Larkspur Jun 2014 #66

It's still up to her to convince enough voters to vote for her. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #68

I know multiple independants (ex-repub) that love Warren and can't stand Clinton fbc Jun 2014 #69

Typical MSM corporate propaganda poll that relies entirely on woo me with science Jun 2014 #82

That's odd. I would expect her base to be conservative Dems. Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #85

WHERE ARE LINKS? to claim Warren "has said repeatedly that she won't run for pres.in 2016?" Divernan Jun 2014 #87

How's this? brooklynite Jun 2014 #113

Why, thank you so very much! (channeling Brenda Lee Johnson for southern accent) Divernan Jun 2014 #121

Cool...but her Book was still 30% off in the Big Rack in Barnes & Noble KoKo Jun 2014 #90

My grocery store had it 25% off. I will 840high Jun 2014 #105

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2014 #96

Interesting peek into the real world treestar Jun 2014 #106

The problem? Conservative Dems also identify themselves as "liberal dems". Bonobo Jun 2014 #108

What do you mean? I assume you're referring to self identification... Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #111

It is evident. Bonobo Jun 2014 #114

So you have no real evidence to back up your assertion Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #115

I'm unconvinced that you know what "scientific" means. Bonobo Jun 2014 #116

I'm basing my assertion on an actual poll using self-identification Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #131

yeah, if you go by DU polls Kucinich and Edwards each had far more support JI7 Jun 2014 #117

"Otherwise how do you explain the large number of DUers that are liberal Dems but oppose her? " djean111 Jun 2014 #137

Would post an opinion, but like HRC on Keystone, "I can't say" ... hatrack Jun 2014 #109

Telephone poll abelenkpe Jun 2014 #110

Two things MFrohike Jun 2014 #112

I said it in 2008, if Hillary is our nominee, Republicans win the presidency! B Calm Jun 2014 #120

Democrats supporting a Clinton? To varying degrees? Orsino Jun 2014 #124

Further proof that ... ieoeja Jun 2014 #125