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joshcryer

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36. It's a pointless diversion, no one is serious.

Sun Jun 1, 2014, 04:16 PM

Jun 2014

It's checkbook journalism at it's finest. Pure punditry, personal attacks, no true civic discussion. We have fools falling for the narrative actually saying Wyden, the guy who actually broke the story, has less integrity than equivocating Snowden.

This is not substantive, we all agree the NSA needs to be checked (I'm on record to abolish it, until terrorism is as dangerous as walking down the street it's not an actual civil issue the government should bother with).

But we are doing nothing to check it. And why? Because we're too distracted "discussing." All the while clicks ramp up on profit ventures designed specifically to make money on outrage.

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An attempt to get the facts straight on the release of the Snowden email by the NSA [View all] Vattel Jun 2014 OP

Has there been any discussion about Control-Z Jun 2014 #1

Quite a bit but not a very intelligent discussion. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #2

Does he have them, do you know? Control-Z Jun 2014 #5

I don't think he has ever had them. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #7

There are those of us who simply do not find it credible that in his stealing, he msanthrope Jun 2014 #13

That is a good summary. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #3

You might well be correct. Vattel Jun 2014 #6

Exactly! Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #8

If he wasn't originally planning to seek asylum Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #10

Based on his 1st interview when he revealed his identity, Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #15

I'd loved to have overheard that conversation Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #19

He was not "bound for Moscow". Moscow was a layover to elsewhere... Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #25

sounds likely to me. grasswire Jun 2014 #4

Kick. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #9

The NSA might release more emails if they have them Leme Jun 2014 #11

if they don't know what documents he took... grasswire Jun 2014 #12

we know it is somewhere, if sent by internet Leme Jun 2014 #17

No. That's not a good summary. Where in your timeline did ES meet with GG and then steal msanthrope Jun 2014 #14

I am not trying to summarize the whole Snowden saga. Vattel Jun 2014 #21

No. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #23

What did I say that is false? Vattel Jun 2014 #24

Now you are moving the goalposts...in your OP, you use the word "mistaken." Now you are msanthrope Jun 2014 #26

Okay, what did I say in my OP that is mistaken? Vattel Jun 2014 #27

You are mistaken in presuming that Snowden is telling you the truth in "why" msanthrope Jun 2014 #29

I'm not finding the part where I made such a claim. Vattel Jun 2014 #30

Every single time you wrote "Snowden claims." Thus, you focus not on facts msanthrope Jun 2014 #32

I didn't say that his claims are true. Vattel Jun 2014 #37

Again--you focus on claims, not on facts. Why not list facts? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #38

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are joking. Vattel Jun 2014 #39

The NSA will release the emails in a timely fashion. joshcryer Jun 2014 #16

they can't discredit him now grasswire Jun 2014 #18

There has been no conversation or reform. joshcryer Jun 2014 #20

ridiculous. grasswire Jun 2014 #35

It's a pointless diversion, no one is serious. joshcryer Jun 2014 #36

Whether top NSA officials believed Vattel Jun 2014 #22

The implication is that the NSA put EO above law. joshcryer Jun 2014 #33

Consider this: truedelphi Jun 2014 #28

That individual is Marcy Wheeler and yes, she is doing great work on Snowden and the NSA. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #34

I think Snowden gave his copies of correspondence to Sasquatch... randome Jun 2014 #31