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106. That is not Svoboda:

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 09:56 AM

Feb 2014

The Social-National Party of Ukraine changed its name to the All-Ukrainian Union "Svoboda" in February 2004 with the arrival of Oleh Tyahnybok as party leader.[2] It moved to moderate its image by replacing the "I + N" ("Idea Natsii" ukr. "idea of a nation&quot Wolfsangel logo with a three-fingered hand reminiscent of the 'Tryzub' pro-independence gesture of the late 1980s and by pushing out neo-Nazi and other radical groups from the party.[37]

In 2004, Tyahnybok was expelled from the Our Ukraine parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia"[38] The speech was delivered at the grave-site of a commander of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army where Tyahnybok praised its struggle against "Moskaly", a derogatory term for either Russians[39] or pan-Russian nationalists;[40][41] Germans; and "Zhydy", an archaic but controversial term for Jews in Ukraine due to it being a slur when used in the Russian language

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So the neo-Nazis have seized power in Ukraine [View all] malaise Feb 2014 OP

It appearts that ultra RW factions have successfully overthrown democratically elected governments kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #1

The neo-cons are having a field day malaise Feb 2014 #2

Damn Obama! AAO Feb 2014 #3

Wasn't that Nancy's job in the House n/t malaise Feb 2014 #4

No. It would have been the Attorney General, Eric Holder Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #6

Yes, - I was just imitating a teabagger response to anything going wrong. AAO Feb 2014 #137

The neo-cons were hired by Yunokovych's government. Anyone with half a brain has already okaawhatever Feb 2014 #25

John McCain met with the leaders of Svoboda: freshwest Feb 2014 #91

Of course the article doesn't mention that Arseniy Yatsenyuk is the member of the largest political okaawhatever Feb 2014 #103

I thought my links were good, Telegraph, BBC and Reutiers. But what are neo-cons and people that are freshwest Feb 2014 #140

What the hell are you talking about?? madinmaryland Feb 2014 #5

Well, apparently neo-nazis have seized control in Ukraine or something. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #13

I heard it was a carton of 'Neopolitan' ice cream. (yes, sic, I know.) nt Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #37

I'm always ready to mix neo-cons with neo-nazis and neo-feudalists like Rand. All the same to me. freshwest Feb 2014 #89

Who Coulda Known? The Syria Playbook? KoKo Feb 2014 #7

The protestors (led by that prime minister lady that didn't get re-elected) Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #8

Someone was feeding the frenzy malaise Feb 2014 #9

Yes, that prime minister that didn't get re-elected. Yulia whatever-her-name and her fans nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #14

Sweet Jesus, Yulia Timoshenko, not whats-her-name maxsolomon Feb 2014 #34

Yes, she. And her fans. They propelled this, with the aid of the EU and the U.S. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #38

She propelled it from a prison hospital with an injured back? maxsolomon Feb 2014 #43

Of course. How do leaders propel things? By duplicating themselves into thousands? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #45

I saw her speak from the wheelchair after her supporters got her out of jail/prison. freshwest Feb 2014 #139

it was in a report i read in the NYT maxsolomon Feb 2014 #143

This is a better video than the one I saw last night: freshwest Feb 2014 #144

I don't care for her, but some sources say she and Putin used to work well together. freshwest Feb 2014 #90

She wasn't re-elected. Then there was an issue of corruption. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #135

Yes, much better if they just do whatever Uncle Pootie tells him. Adrahil Feb 2014 #16

Please translate n/t malaise Feb 2014 #19

Fixed. Stupid iPad. Adrahil Feb 2014 #23

Radical anarchists collaborating with Neo-Nazis? Throd Feb 2014 #17

A few started it, then the real nuts (fascists) got involved, and the rest is history and hell nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #18

Perhaps Ukrainians would rather have a functioning democracy versus Putin's vassal state. Throd Feb 2014 #27

Instead, they have Neo-Nazi chaos. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #30

Perhaps you should try a more reliable source for your info. Any of the reputable international news okaawhatever Feb 2014 #20

Alternet, perhaps? Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #35

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Feb 2014 #42

+1. nt. polly7 Feb 2014 #48

I don't consider Alternet a reliable source. Yes the ultra nationalists group is participating in okaawhatever Feb 2014 #49

No? What do you consider a reliable source? Any source that agrees with your premise? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #54

No, Reuters, The Associated Press, New York Times, The Economist................nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #107

The corporate entities whose intent is to hide what's really going? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #134

They're fascists. And they're in coalition with two center-right parties, making them the majority El_Johns Feb 2014 #86

Svoboda is not the majority. They aren't the majority in the opposition even. The majority of the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #108

The coalition that includes Svobada is the majority. As was perfectly obvious/ El_Johns Feb 2014 #112

You don't consider Alternet a reliable source -- why is that? You think it's in bed with Putin? El_Johns Feb 2014 #114

Alternet is an often unreliable / iffy source. Quantess Feb 2014 #132

Articles on Alternet are only as good as their authors. The article in reference doesn't provide okaawhatever Feb 2014 #152

Good points there! What is Alternet's angle in promoting Russian PR, though? freshwest Feb 2014 #159

If you dont consider Alternet a reliable source, what do you consider? CNN? ABC? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #146

According the the Alternet article.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #53

But would 30% be neo-Nazis? El_Johns Feb 2014 #83

The article pretty much lumped them together Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #105

The alternet article has zero credibility and I think your pointing out that they're saying the same okaawhatever Feb 2014 #109

I generally like Alternet... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #110

because you say so? El_Johns Feb 2014 #122

Why would western powers back any kind of Nazi? FFS, WW2! And we're accused by the RWNJs of freshwest Feb 2014 #153

Because sometimes you don't get the luxury of picking your friends...(nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #155

I don't see the analogy between Ukrainians fighting it out and Americans invading freshwest Feb 2014 #161

For those that dream of revolution to throw off the chains of oppression, take notice. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #10

Kafka... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #51

Those who confuse democracy and chains of oppression deserve what they get. Coyotl Feb 2014 #127

You must be responding to the wrong post. "when you cheer on anarchy destroying a stable nation." rhett o rick Feb 2014 #141

This malaise Feb 2014 #148

We wish to tear down all governments that we dont have in our pocket and replace them with rhett o rick Feb 2014 #149

.......... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #11

Isn't that second pic The Cat from Red Dwarf? Loved that series. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #150

Great, but I saw some duers cheering this on quinnox Feb 2014 #12

No, some of us have bothered to learn the truth. I suggest you do the same. nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #22

I just did a google search "neo-nazis" and "ukraine" and got tons of hits quinnox Feb 2014 #26

I just did a google search of "neo-nazis" and "Democratic Underground." Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #29

"Neo-nazis" and "Olive Garden": Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #36

Neo-Nazis + Diapers = 8,570,000 hits Throd Feb 2014 #47

Brilliant. I wonder what would happen if you did neo-Nazi and Republican party.........nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #50

Aw, c'mon fuckin' nazi! Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #71

Well, he is a skinhead. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #76

Neo-Nazi and Pepperoni Pizza Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #84

Just goes to show how hard Putin's propaganda machine is working. I noticed most of the claims about okaawhatever Feb 2014 #46

Neo-nazis and African Traditional Music turns up nearly 2 million results. Kurska Feb 2014 #63

As a Jew, I find it incredibly offensive that you throw that term around with zero understanding. nt Kurska Feb 2014 #15

I select my own words malaise Feb 2014 #24

Opposing Russian Hegemony doesn't make you a neo-nazi Kurska Feb 2014 #28

For some around here it does. Throd Feb 2014 #32

What term? Neo-Nazi? Is there another term that should be used perhaps? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #55

Yeah this guy is totally a Neo-Nazi what was I thinking Kurska Feb 2014 #59

Um, no, he's not. But there are Neo-Nazis going crazy on the streets of Ukraine... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #65

Please find me a single credibly link detailing how the Neo-Nazis have seized control in the Ukraine Kurska Feb 2014 #68

I've posted two already, but your side doesn't like my selections. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #69

Yeah Ukraine just absolutely crawlin with Nazis right now. Kurska Feb 2014 #72

And you're right in the thick of that wonderful wonderland, right? That's how you know so much Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #73

Well, your selections don't tell the truth. Scootaloo Feb 2014 #78

Actually, many people agree with me. The net is filled with this info., so why would you think Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #79

Truth is not a popularity contest Scootaloo Feb 2014 #82

No, you're right about that. But truth is somewhere, right? And who has it? Is it you? Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #136

I dunno, but it's not the people screaming that Ukraine has been taken over by neo-nazis Scootaloo Feb 2014 #147

Say you, claiming that *you* are the correct one. Didn't work. Try again. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #154

Yulia Tymoshenko was accused of being a secret Jew in the last election. EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #87

As a Jew, you should be aware that the Ukranian collaboraters helped massacre Ukranian Jews by Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #56

I wasn't aware Nazism was genetically transferred n/t Kurska Feb 2014 #57

You should be aware that there is a long history fascist sympathy in the region. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #58

I'm actually a minor scholar on the eastern front of world war II Kurska Feb 2014 #61

so had I said "all of the ukranian opposition are neo nazis" you might have a point. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #64

Um you are aware you're posting in a thread that claims the Neo-nazis seized control? Kurska Feb 2014 #66

Again, is it your claimn that there are no fascist groups in the opposition? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #67

There are Neo-Nazis opposed to smoking. Kurska Feb 2014 #70

So you agree that there are neo-nazi groups in the opposition. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #95

Are you a white American? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #80

Yeah well I don't deny we have a sordid history and a problematic present. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #96

I find your lack of understanding history in Ukraine offensive frwrfpos Feb 2014 #75

You mean like this guy? Kurska Feb 2014 #77

As others have noted, probably referring the Svoboda party Scootaloo Feb 2014 #85

recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #21

Can I inquire as to your source for this? Because while I know that there are some TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #31

Peace-loving Government troops firing on the "neo-Nazis' brooklynite Feb 2014 #33

Why should the Ukraine not be in trade zones with both the EU and Russia? I'm sure that applegrove Feb 2014 #39

I'm not sure why the two trade markets can't work together. They have to iron this out. Russia's gas freshwest Feb 2014 #145

Sudstream... go west young man Feb 2014 #158

Thank you, that was very informative and I checked out Gasprom as well. I try to take such factors freshwest Feb 2014 #160

Is the U.S. Backing Neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Zorra Feb 2014 #40

Um.....no. You're extremely wrong. jeff47 Feb 2014 #41

Wrong (nt) bigwillq Feb 2014 #44

ROFLMAO. Brickbat Feb 2014 #52

Source nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #60

Pravda comrade Kurska Feb 2014 #62

Several sources malaise Feb 2014 #92

Thanks nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #133

Radio Armenia Bad Thoughts Feb 2014 #99

You apparently don't read anything. kwassa Feb 2014 #74

Wow, I only belatedly realized this thread wasn't satire. tritsofme Feb 2014 #81

The stupid is strong with many here Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #88

They want to discredit the uprising so they invent reasons why we shouldn't like it. stevenleser Feb 2014 #113

Thankfully....your incessant insults... go west young man Feb 2014 #162

As I understand it, the interim President is a member of the All-Ukrainian Union "Fatherland" party justiceischeap Feb 2014 #93

Facts. Acting president/PM, finance minister, interior minister - none are from Svoboda muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #94

bzzt. fail. simplistic and uniformed. and I'm someone who has posted cali Feb 2014 #97

Svoboda Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #98

Doesn't change the fact they're not even close to the majority party in the country. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #101

"No one's denying Svoboda's there" Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #102

They're not a major factor in the opposition. And they certainly haven't "seized power". Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #104

They're in a formal coalition with two centre right parties and the coalition IS the majority El_Johns Feb 2014 #115

Right, but they're not even the bulk of the coalition. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #117

They're in formal coalition and have been since 2012. El_Johns Feb 2014 #119

Do you understand parliamentary politics? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #123

I understand very well. It does mean that there's quid pro quo, however. El_Johns Feb 2014 #125

But the insinuation that fascists and neo-nazis are leading the shots is just not documented. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #131

We don't really know who's calling the shots, do we? El_Johns Feb 2014 #156

I'm forced to conclude that person does not understand parliamentary politics. stevenleser Feb 2014 #129

That is not Svoboda: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #106

Yankees OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #111

I love it when the argument goes from "there are no nazis, that's just stupid" to Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #142

Posts 93 and 94 for the win. The interim President is not from Svoboda. NeoNazis are not in charge stevenleser Feb 2014 #100

They're in a formal political coalition with the party of the interim president and Tymoshenko's El_Johns Feb 2014 #116

There are several big problems with your assertion. stevenleser Feb 2014 #121

My assertion is a fact. It's also a fact that 'pro-west' sections of Ukraine are also the sections El_Johns Feb 2014 #124

No, it's not. It WAS a fact. Everything is changing now. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #126

What are the 'new' facts? El_Johns Feb 2014 #128

I reiterate Carcetti's question to you above. Do you understand Parliamentary politics? stevenleser Feb 2014 #130

I believe I already answered that question. El_Johns Feb 2014 #157

He's a Baptist according to the Southern Baptist Convention. Lars39 Feb 2014 #165

The communist view is that this TBF Feb 2014 #118

The west is also the stronghold of Svoboda. El_Johns Feb 2014 #120

Only in John McCain's wet dreams. bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #138

If that is true, and Ukraine can't push them out, I do not think Russia will just sit by lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #151

Well it's not actually true. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #163

I was skeptical, and didn't think it was true, thanks. Also, unfortunately, looking at what Putin lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #164