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Kelvin Mace

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637. I would agree

Sat Feb 15, 2014, 01:48 PM

Feb 2014

Years ago as a teen, I got angry over a repeated accusation against me, holding forth at great length and in great detail about the unfairness of the accusation. One day, while in high dudgeon, I turned and made this speech to a respected third party and wound it up with "Wouldn't you agree?"

He looked at me and in a complete deadpan said, "I agree the truth must hurt."

I was sandbagged. I wanted to blow up, but the reality of the situation struck me dumb.

He was right. What I was accused of did hurt, because in the back of my ind I knew it to be true. It hurt so much that I denied it, made excuses for it and never bothered to entertain the fact that the criticism might have merit.

I decided from that day on to always listen to criticism and ALWAYS ask myself the question "Is it true?" in the quiet of the night. And to be brutally honest with the answer.

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2014 Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue Revealed. [View all] RiffRandell Feb 2014 OP

Nina Adgal is heavenly. nt onehandle Feb 2014 #1

She sure is! nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #3

All 3 of them are lovely. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #135

Dang. raven mad Feb 2014 #2

This issue is out next week; they debuted the cover yesterday. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #4

Sorry! I forgot the irony/sarcasm thingy - raven mad Feb 2014 #6

No worries. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #17

Outstanding. nt TheMathieu Feb 2014 #5

They all look the same to me. pangaia Feb 2014 #7

I want one with those three gorgeous American slopestyle skier dudes!! Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #8

I know!!! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #9

Athletic, gorgeous, and rescuing the Sochi stray dogs. Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #12

Just for you Happyhippychick Lochloosa Feb 2014 #195

Thank you ever so much! Is that a beautiful sight or what? Of course I could technically be their Happyhippychick Feb 2014 #199

Technically, heck! raven mad Feb 2014 #325

Love it! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #276

They all look like they have something wrong with their spines. panader0 Feb 2014 #10

They are just standing HappyMe Feb 2014 #13

They are posing for a picture. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #14

I don't think walking... cyberswede Feb 2014 #41

bingo. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #274

One thing that really sickens me is the fox news-like mendacity of some on this thread. redqueen Feb 2014 #280

Um, it seems to me you're the one distorting the issue. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #286

and advertising is just pictures... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #306

Want to explain why men are never posed like that mass media publications? pnwmom Feb 2014 #594

Pay them no mind LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #629

^ This AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #689

mendacity...you can say that again. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #292

You seem tense. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #307

... opiate69 Feb 2014 #324

Shomer Shabbas. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #327

you too. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #357

Touched, I am.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #361

as you should be. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #368

so not my style... opiate69 Feb 2014 #371

oh I looove Jack Black! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #376

Yeah.. part of the problem with posting from work is, opiate69 Feb 2014 #381

You never saw The Big Lebowski? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #431

you're cute when you're dickish. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #356

It's tough being me. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #358

I'd guess so! sometimes it's tough watching you BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #363

A wise man once said, "They can't all be winners, can they, kid" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #364

kablooey. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #372

Should you find yourself flying on Halloween Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #378

not a problem BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #385

I knew it! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #396

Perhaps they are discussing how modern understandings of biomechanics contribute struggle4progress Feb 2014 #670

Needs more curve and color Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #11

I prefer my women real Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #15

Did the Michael Sam cover bother you RiffRandell Feb 2014 #16

Sam wasn't on the cover almost completely naked was he? Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #23

exactly. I cant believe people applauding the Sams cover (rightly so) BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #29

What you just referred to those women as is DISGUSTING. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #37

It's at the core of what they're being used for. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #43

I think your choice of words is going to be a point of contention Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #115

+1. well said. and since you said, i dont have to. and i can stay out.... lol, nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #119

yeah....I sometimes can no longer stand to cover the truth in polite words. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #124

Right on, spot on and good for you! Cock tease is waaaaay to polite as far as I am concerned. Ninga Feb 2014 #186

or they just let all know.... "she will do...." seabeyond Feb 2014 #187

Yep. Ninga Feb 2014 #200

lol! good one! and, daily microinsults--yes, truly. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #202

Thank you sister! Stadiums, ball parks, bars, sidewalks, construction sites, fraternity houses, Ninga Feb 2014 #210

yep. work too. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #227

Oh, that's good. llmart Feb 2014 #311

Doesn't bother me at all LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #630

... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #235

!!! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #238

??? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #246

yeah, like i said, that first post was a LITTLE bit of parity. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #272

I wasn't attempting to establish "parity". OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #283

oh, ....well I was interested in seeing parity with regard to nudity. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #302

"There is no respect shown in magazines that publish pictures like that of women," OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #318

ok....can you find nudes like that of powerful men? BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #326

Parity again? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #350

oh, those are awesome! gorgeous!! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #353

Just so I understand... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #428

I still have this one. raven mad Feb 2014 #338

oh good! there's some parity for a change. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #243

The cover with the... one_voice Feb 2014 #309

I'm thinking of replacing my Farah Fawcett poster. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #320

I would not have been as blunt, Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #95

I am betting you are not their target audience joeglow3 Feb 2014 #133

Probably not, Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #146

Variety is the spice of life joeglow3 Feb 2014 #161

See post 189. redqueen Feb 2014 #207

You are putting words in my mouth to fuel your own crusade joeglow3 Feb 2014 #216

What is that you think I'm making up? nt redqueen Feb 2014 #228

It really is not that hard to figure out. You wrote ONE sentence to me. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #232

Wow. You really are a piece of work. redqueen Feb 2014 #242

So, you ignored everything I wrote and focused one thing not related to the overall theme joeglow3 Feb 2014 #249

Par for the course, there, joe. opiate69 Feb 2014 #250

Yeah, y'know what? Considering you're the 'it's so hard to tell if people are drunk or consenting redqueen Feb 2014 #251

Don't pretend like you "discuss" with people joeglow3 Feb 2014 #293

+ a metric fuckton opiate69 Feb 2014 #304

Nope. That's only your perspective, because you post sickening bullshit like you did about rape. redqueen Feb 2014 #482

I said that was clearly the position of the editorial joeglow3 Feb 2014 #519

The position of the editorial was idiotic rightwing anti-feminist bullshit. We all get it. redqueen Feb 2014 #568

And I laid out objective, technical reasons. You screamed and called names. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #611

You laid out objective, technical DEFENSES OF RIGHT WING MISOGYNIST SPEW redqueen Feb 2014 #613

And you are giving us an encore performance joeglow3 Feb 2014 #635

So we rationalize the actions of Madison Avenue which instills the branding and images into our min LanternWaste Feb 2014 #253

So, your position is that I am a robot joeglow3 Feb 2014 #291

and i am sick and tired of the come-on always being aimed at YOU BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #310

Uh, it's the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. What do you expect? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #377

everything is "what did you expect"....have another read BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #393

Your definition of porn appears to differ from mine. The SI swimsuit issue ain't it. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #539

you attempt to tell me what I can or can't call "material meant to BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #544

To turn the tables would require much more than swapping out male models for female ones. redqueen Feb 2014 #149

Excellent points all Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #166

Conditioning. redqueen Feb 2014 #189

++++ a zillion megapluses. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #331

I presume LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #631

why thank you for demonstrating the hostility I was talking about. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #633

That's hilarious LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #696

nasty sarcasm isn't politely questioning. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #697

I suspect there is no amount of criticism you would accept as legitimate LordGlenconner Feb 2014 #698

you are totally wrong. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #699

Of course not. Hello? Your handle implies you're a man... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #434

But as I note in an earlier post Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #639

Accuracy is often disgusting... especially as in regards to branding by Madison Avenue. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #252

No one is falling for your childish act MattBaggins Feb 2014 #296

Not an act. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #303

but it is childish n/t Scout Feb 2014 #467

Hey, you're the one with the baby avatar. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #478

Indeed, the chattering commentariat who think women in bathing suits on a beach are "HORRENDOUS" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #452

Fuck your noise Scootaloo Feb 2014 #533

Where's my tongue and noise? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #556

Hmm. I just picked up on that.. "tongue hanging out yada yada"... opiate69 Feb 2014 #559

Canine? No, camelid, actually Scootaloo Feb 2014 #562

Since more Americans own dogs than llamas, that reference seems a stretch.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #565

Only dog with the bugged-out derp eyes involved would be a pug Scootaloo Feb 2014 #588

The pug certainly doesn't either. Puglover Feb 2014 #623

clearly your words establish you as someone in a position to lecture on empathy & decency to others. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #600

Yeah, I have trouble establishing empathic rapport with bigots Scootaloo Feb 2014 #604

I need more specifics. I assume these are the DU members you called.... what was the term you used? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #650

You know..it never ceases to amaze me how the filthiest terms used to describe women on DU msanthrope Feb 2014 #53

Exactly! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #60

First a dog, and now a "douchbag"... opiate69 Feb 2014 #109

Wow! one_voice Feb 2014 #314

Yup.. defies logic, doesn't it? opiate69 Feb 2014 #315

+1 lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #437

No doubt... opiate69 Feb 2014 #447

Yup. HappyMe Feb 2014 #63

Right on, my friend. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #68

i used it to make very clear, beyond any doubt, what SI is using those women for. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #69

So it's okay for posters, regardless of gender, to use that word for "shock value?" nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #75

Not to me. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #78

Indeed...certain rules do apply to certain people...I was called "dear" repeatedly and over msanthrope Feb 2014 #97

what matters is the intent of the shock value. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #88

I still don't think it's right to use that. HappyMe Feb 2014 #102

I'm pretty sure there are lots of pretty boys who would like to be hired BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #118

Boys? HappyMe Feb 2014 #121

you just switched the subject. My reply was to your point--please remain on topic. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #127

lol! HappyMe Feb 2014 #165

you're rambling. Using insults instead of engaging in good faith discussion. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #179

You're deflecting. HappyMe Feb 2014 #185

nope, disagree. I responded directly to your first post to me. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #198

Whatever you say. HappyMe Feb 2014 #205

Here's the essential arrogance of your statement....that you think you are opening eyes, and msanthrope Feb 2014 #125

Oh, to be able to rec this post... alas... applause will have to suffice. opiate69 Feb 2014 #130

Awesome post. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #140

+1 n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #162

Very well said, as always. HappyMe Feb 2014 #168

well ok....clearly you are higher on the hierarchy than I. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #173

You are comparing yourself to Alan Ginsburg? Alan would still have to abide msanthrope Feb 2014 #231

Allen ....no I'm not comparing myself. I'm talking about using literary conventions BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #237

Literary conventions? That's what you think you are using? I think you just need msanthrope Feb 2014 #261

ok....you're obviously in an ecstasy of hate for me. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #264

Oh please! You are not a victim of hate. And you'd better tell seabeyond msanthrope Feb 2014 #275

i didn't say i was victimized by your hatred. :) I said you are enjoying it. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #285

"Jejune?" Look at you! And how is associating you with seabeyond besmirching you? nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #339

but you told me to get a thesaurus.... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #346

I think I got besmirched in this post: Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #362

I agree with you..... llmart Feb 2014 #319

Some of the... one_voice Feb 2014 #317

Comparing Blanch's post to what HopeHoops did? kcr Feb 2014 #532

You mean like femen? (nt) The Straight Story Feb 2014 #196

you know Straight..... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #213

Or maybe.... The Straight Story Feb 2014 #215

maybe. all i know is what i said--- BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #229

Hmmm Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #131

On the Internet, no one knows you are a dog.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #183

Ah, but see, now we are going to descend into a discussion Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #258

thank you again. msanthrope's objection centers on my use of the phrase, BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #270

The context of "media whores" Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #313

chatterati-----oh that is a good one! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #322

Well, to be fair Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #340

heehee.... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #345

Interesting... chervilant Feb 2014 #636

I would agree Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #637

context is everything. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #267

Not very often pokerfan Feb 2014 #208

those are great covers...and true, the percentage compared to BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #217

Agree with you! nt Tumbulu Feb 2014 #21

+1 good point - there could be photoshopping treestar Feb 2014 #83

Photophop is used in practically all magainze photos Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #335

Your women? How many do you have? upaloopa Feb 2014 #164

Well, that would be the sum total of the women I have encountered in my life Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #172

I would buy it if the legion of boom was on the cover /nt Evergreen Emerald Feb 2014 #18

So would I, but we subscribe to it as my husband and I are huge sports fans. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #19

The Seahawks were on the cover after the Super Bowl.. Upton Feb 2014 #25

Yep...it's tradition. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #26

Sexist horrendous cover, my goodness ! Tumbulu Feb 2014 #20

I don't even see swim suits - just some butt floss. It's pretty disgusting. CrackerJohn Feb 2014 #42

Thanks...now I need some mind bleach. eom Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #677

I feel the same way. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #67

I'm with you on that as well Tumbulu Feb 2014 #501

Oh yay, more glorification of female objectification. MadrasT Feb 2014 #22

Evidence that DU is not a welcoming place for feminists redqueen Feb 2014 #24

Indeed, because it is not natural to look at people you are attracted to The Straight Story Feb 2014 #33

please see my post #34. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #38

There is context here that has to be activley (and desperately) ignored, redqueen Feb 2014 #59

Thank you. nt Ninga Feb 2014 #190

+1 nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #266

indeed. perfect analogy you gave, too. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #351

Not easy to just turn around like that treestar Feb 2014 #81

exactly. men can not understand what it feels like BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #110

Men may not feel it... one_voice Feb 2014 #323

very true. i think an interesting diffetence here on DU, anyway, BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #342

It is not just about numbers. This is not about being self conscious. redqueen Feb 2014 #391

what a thread this is! orleans Feb 2014 #548

That would only make sense if the "sport" of sex was one-sided. Like hunting, but with women as prey redqueen Feb 2014 #567

No, it is a socially constructed norm to do so. Deep13 Feb 2014 #527

In poetry, writing, art, etc, which were the tools of the day The Straight Story Feb 2014 #529

don't read modern values into pre-modern sources. Deep13 Feb 2014 #555

Seriously??? Pompeii, Herculaneum, Edo and Vishvanath called... opiate69 Feb 2014 #530

"if you even History?" Deep13 Feb 2014 #558

Will Hunting, is that you? opiate69 Feb 2014 #561

Okay. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #579

Yes, sex has always existed. Deep13 Feb 2014 #642

And you know this how? You're inside other peoples' heads now? You were 1500 years ago? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #649

I don't think you get the concepts at work here, TSS Scootaloo Feb 2014 #540

Well, The Straight Story Feb 2014 #543

Thing is, it's not about the models Scootaloo Feb 2014 #546

that was scholarly and eloquent. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #550

Well, I will agree with you to some extent The Straight Story Feb 2014 #552

That's hardly the only difference, TSS Scootaloo Feb 2014 #557

She has something others don't The Straight Story Feb 2014 #572

I appreciate your posts very much. cui bono Feb 2014 #682

The swimsuit covers are of models, not athletes davidn3600 Feb 2014 #545

hear here. you explained it very well. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #547

Yes; just not very good arguments Scootaloo Feb 2014 #549

i just saw..... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #551

Your entire thesis is predicated on a fallacious comparison. opiate69 Feb 2014 #553

So the Swimsuit issue really is just a break for boobs thing, then? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #560

Yes.. it's a "one-off", special edition... opiate69 Feb 2014 #563

Well, it certainly has... gotten different Scootaloo Feb 2014 #573

As has all fashion.. I'm guessing there's a point there? opiate69 Feb 2014 #574

I wasn't referring to the fashion, actually Scootaloo Feb 2014 #585

True, but... regnaD kciN Feb 2014 #693

Is that all? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #55

This is why I would never take you seriously! nt Logical Feb 2014 #297

Really? one_voice Feb 2014 #321

For such a hostile place, there sure are a lot of us here. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #386

Nope. Many have left. redqueen Feb 2014 #390

Slurs like calling women dogs and douchebags? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #395

"Douchebag" is considered as such by some. redqueen Feb 2014 #405

As I said... n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #411

But... y'all ain't really feminists, remember? opiate69 Feb 2014 #392

Apparently you're only a feminist.. one_voice Feb 2014 #407

I have pretty much given up trying to take any of them seriously LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #416

Reading is Fundamental. redqueen Feb 2014 #427

Who said I was referring to that post? one_voice Feb 2014 #444

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Feb 2014 #469

Nobody is "shaning" these wonen FFS. redqueen Feb 2014 #473

Really! you can't help.. one_voice Feb 2014 #477

Yet another load of vendetta-laden bullshit. redqueen Feb 2014 #485

You should really pay more attention... one_voice Feb 2014 #492

I guess you're ignorant of the fact that conflating the criticism of objectification redqueen Feb 2014 #497

FWIW, opiate69 Feb 2014 #514

thank you very much! one_voice Feb 2014 #517

What's wrong with women being able to make their own choices? Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #511

. one_voice Feb 2014 #521

Ah, you must have missed the scare quotes around "Choice", yaknow. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #538

Sigh. I didn't say "women shouldn't be able to make their own choices" redqueen Feb 2014 #566

*even more exagerrated sigh* One Voice talked about women making their own choices... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #664

See, this idea that individual women can just make up whatever ideology they like, redqueen Feb 2014 #665

I guess yr just going to have to get used to women disagreeing with you on feminism then... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #666

It's not about me. It's about awareness. redqueen Feb 2014 #667

Okay, raise my awareness. Who's cheerleading this thread? Me? Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #673

Oh my! Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #27

Beautiful young smiling women. antiquie Feb 2014 #28

as a feminist, what i want is some parity. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #34

I do not see a problem. antiquie Feb 2014 #45

those covers confirmed my point. DECADES of S.I. covers...and the number of women BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #56

Eye of the beholder. antiquie Feb 2014 #71

thank you....have a great day yourself. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #74

I dont see you complain when Vanity Fair objectifies men davidn3600 Feb 2014 #87

hadnt seen that---and you are drawing a false equvalence. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #96

did someone post that cover shot as an OP on DU? Scout Feb 2014 #99

oh my Skittles Feb 2014 #157

I loved this cover of VF. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #167

See post 189. Swapping male models for female ones changes nothing. redqueen Feb 2014 #223

SI illustrated has a target audience The Straight Story Feb 2014 #51

gay and lesbian magazines are very narrow markets. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #61

Bull crap. SI has a targeted audience of PEOPLE who like SPORTS. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #66

Yep, and a lot of those people like this issue I am guessing The Straight Story Feb 2014 #144

I subscribe to the magazine for the sports...end of story. While I wish they would focus that issue ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #147

Well, we can agree on something The Straight Story Feb 2014 #169

I volunteer for that target audience! Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #117

Which is precisely the problem... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #160

I can agree with your last sentence The Straight Story Feb 2014 #182

I'm not saying SI should stop doing swimsuit issues.. Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #219

We can agree on that The Straight Story Feb 2014 #230

Misogyny is more than just "hating women". redqueen Feb 2014 #571

And if you care about the issue The Straight Story Feb 2014 #580

Bullshit bullshit and more bullshit. redqueen Feb 2014 #581

and you are nursing grudges The Straight Story Feb 2014 #583

NOBODY SAID YOU HATE WOMEN WHAT THE FUCK redqueen Feb 2014 #584

Really? The Straight Story Feb 2014 #587

Sigh. Again - MISOGYNY IS MORE THAN THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION. redqueen Feb 2014 #627

"MISOGYNY IS MORE THAN THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION" EX500rider Feb 2014 #647

Wow. redqueen Feb 2014 #653

I see you are back it joeglow3 Feb 2014 #655

Do you think they should do swimsuit issues featuring male models? redqueen Feb 2014 #570

Yes, I absolutely think there should be a male swimsuit issue Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #615

Nobody thinks super hot men in speedos are "un manly". redqueen Feb 2014 #618

Ask a middle school boy what would happen if he showed up to a pool party in a speedo... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #620

Middle school? redqueen Feb 2014 #622

No, I'm fully aware of the issue at hand... Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #624

Yay! redqueen Feb 2014 #625

Funny that there are actually other people that like sports. It's true! kcr Feb 2014 #245

Yeah, me too. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #35

Yeah, I agree. HappyMe Feb 2014 #44

Yeah..me too. Upton Feb 2014 #52

If you've ever seen the videos on that treestar Feb 2014 #85

Not that I expect the cheerleaders for objectification to watch it... redqueen Feb 2014 #98

thanks! treestar Feb 2014 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Scout Feb 2014 #114

I get my posts removed packman Feb 2014 #30

Well, if you're going to be a douchbag, Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #31

If you're referring to the photo packman Feb 2014 #40

I believe that poster HappyMe Feb 2014 #91

Yeah, I got that impression myself. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #108

I'm still happy to call you my friend. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #221

Me too! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #225

"douchbag"(sic).... Gee, I thought that was a sexist slur... opiate69 Feb 2014 #82

Whoa! That is disgusting. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2014 #32

WHAT swimsuits? rocktivity Feb 2014 #36

Nobody with any sense thinks the issue is about swimsuits. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #62

But, But, But....! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #39

18x3 antiquie Feb 2014 #47

Too early for math Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #49

Porn lite for people too scared to buy actual porn. riqster Feb 2014 #46

No one ever called me a horndog before. antiquie Feb 2014 #48

people still buy porn? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #50

DUzy! riqster Feb 2014 #54

Have you seen the sales numbers for the "50 Shades" trilogy? Some women are indeed buying porn. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #57

Good point. People even pay money for "Bigfoot Porn", IIRC. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #72

That would be the topic in March. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #73

Ahem... opiate69 Feb 2014 #86

Reviews are pretty good! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #100

"Komm Fur Bigfoot" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #330

Now I'm envisioning "In The Hall of the Mountain King" done in 70s porn wah-wah tones Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #128

lmao! Whoda thunk you were hip to Savatage? opiate69 Feb 2014 #134

50 shades of Grey? Sounds like my hair. riqster Feb 2014 #136

I believe the reference is to the visual? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #159

I haven't paid for porn since I was 18. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #79

This cover is not about sports Brainstormy Feb 2014 #58

Well, an interesting angle, to be sure quinnox Feb 2014 #64

Nice use of the Caps Lock key, for sure. MineralMan Feb 2014 #70

Revealed is the correct word, but MineralMan Feb 2014 #65

What? Why? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #142

Interesting that you react so strongly to my opinion. MineralMan Feb 2014 #163

Have you read romance novels? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #171

that is not correct. further, actually doing two different scientific studies, not answering a seabeyond Feb 2014 #184

So you claim women DON'T buy large numbers of romance novels and joeglow3 Feb 2014 #193

staying on point, wow. totally fuckin' amazing, lmao. ok. nt seabeyond Feb 2014 #194

That was exactly what I posted in my original comment you responded to joeglow3 Feb 2014 #201

you started your argument with a false base. take out the very beginning, your whole post collapses. seabeyond Feb 2014 #204

Who buys romance novels? Why are the bought? Do they create unreasonable standards for men? joeglow3 Feb 2014 #220

I'm not telling you anything. I don't care what attracts you or MineralMan Feb 2014 #224

Where is the beefcake? treestar Feb 2014 #76

A couple of those women look unhealthily thin. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #77

Oh, look, three near naked women. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #80

. Squinch Feb 2014 #288

Boring,entirely predictable flamebait. sufrommich Feb 2014 #84

Funny, I think the exact same thing about other threads! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #90

Yeah, but you think that about threads concerned with feminist issues. redqueen Feb 2014 #129

There are some threads about "feminist issues" I disagree with. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #155

You disagreeing with them doesn't magically transform them into flamebait. redqueen Feb 2014 #178

Just because you don't consider them flamebait doesn't mean RiffRandell Feb 2014 #206

No transformation is necessary. They start out that way. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #460

And you called me a c*nt in meta. boston bean Feb 2014 #597

Wow BB - did not know that. Did it get hidden? n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #601

No it was not hidden. Self - Deleted after a few hours though. boston bean Feb 2014 #602

I do not doubt you at all BB. I'm kind of shocked she would go there and then complain about being seaglass Feb 2014 #603

Please. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #608

There was no apology then. Two years later when you boston bean Feb 2014 #609

I'll take responsibility when I am wrong. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #610

I've sent it. boston bean Feb 2014 #612

Thank you. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #617

You are welcome. boston bean Feb 2014 #619

Same to you. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #621

Thanks for the screenshot BB - provides a lot more perspective on what's going on here. n/t seaglass Feb 2014 #605

Ah, now it all makes sense. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #607

That's fine with me! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #606

Meanwhile she and her buddies are feigning offense at the word "dog" redqueen Feb 2014 #614

Transparent as all hell. JTFrog Feb 2014 #626

Like an open sewer. redqueen Feb 2014 #628

Yes, because insulting women/men is something to feign offense at. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #645

Posting this OP was an insult but I don't see you owning up to it. redqueen Feb 2014 #652

Oh, I am proud. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #657

And, yet, here you are... opiate69 Feb 2014 #94

As far as some sort of modesty functionality of swimsuits goes - are these suits designed to Ed Suspicious Feb 2014 #89

Here's my ass for fucking. Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #92

I don't believe that's what they're offering at all. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #104

of course you don't! that's a perfectly natural position assumed by women everywhere! Scout Feb 2014 #106

"Lick your lips and arch your back" -- Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #113

Nice attack on women and completely unsurprising. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #116

typical that you see THAT as an attack on women Scout Feb 2014 #120

No, I'm a normal person that is not "fetishing" but seeing what's truly there RiffRandell Feb 2014 #132

posing for a photo in a totally unnatural pose Scout Feb 2014 #141

Thank you -- Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #151

My wife and I are nude at the beach. So are our friends. upaloopa Feb 2014 #153

Who would ever have thought of such a thing? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #174

Some women who are nude at the beach stick their upaloopa Feb 2014 #191

Or heard of Europe. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #209

see, comments like this little subthread are just ridiculous. Scout Feb 2014 #472

It's sickeningly transparent dishonest distraction. redqueen Feb 2014 #476

Laugh away! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #481

oh but i thought we weren't supposed to talk about personal lives at the beach Scout Feb 2014 #466

I did and stand by it. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #483

so, because he didn't want to discuss it with you, he can't discuss it with anyone?? opiate69 Feb 2014 #484

+10000000 redqueen Feb 2014 #170

There you go again, thinking you have any ability to "teach" anyone anything.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #180

There certainly are many here who are unteachable but there are also many who have not spoken seaglass Feb 2014 #212

I've learned things from redqueen, as well as from others on DU cyberswede Feb 2014 #287

We're certainly learning some of the kinky projections that go through the minds of some ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #290

You've never seen anything remotely like that on a beach in your life? Really? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #281

Yes.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #284

Be honest, now. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #355

Lol.. true.. here in Washington, beachwear tends to be a little less revealing opiate69 Feb 2014 #359

No shit. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #360

Hah.. Yeah, I can't wait... opiate69 Feb 2014 #366

We actually had one day last summer where the beach was actually beach weather. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #370

Yeah.. the klaxon call must have been rung... opiate69 Feb 2014 #123

omg hahahahahahahaha laundry_queen Feb 2014 #289

Read through and see who are attacking those women. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #295

More laughing. so transparent. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #299

"Here's my ass for bringing attention to global starvation." NuclearDem Feb 2014 #122

It doesn't? Lonusca Feb 2014 #255

Seriously? Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #145

+ a fucking gazillion n/t Scout Feb 2014 #105

It is kind of creepy to me HappyMe Feb 2014 #112

It's kind of creepy to me -- Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2014 #137

So, Sports Illustrated EvilAL Feb 2014 #382

Of course that's what that pose means. cyberswede Feb 2014 #143

+ a whole bunch n/t Scout Feb 2014 #148

And so what if it is? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #436

I didn't finger-wag at anyone. cyberswede Feb 2014 #496

The subthread started with a complaint that they're supposedly saying "here's my *** for *******" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #528

It's bizarre to me that you *don't* realize that is *exactly* what that photo is intended to evoke. MadrasT Feb 2014 #156

If a woman enjoys looking at the swimsuit issue, HappyMe Feb 2014 #175

+1 Exactly. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #412

Oh, wow. This subthread. kcr Feb 2014 #537

I applaud SI cvoogt Feb 2014 #93

Couldn't SI do that Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #101

Nice troll, Hitler. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #111

a.k.a. sarcasm cvoogt Feb 2014 #181

i figured you were going there. being an expert at having to clarify, lol.... seabeyond Feb 2014 #188

thx cvoogt Feb 2014 #197

again... lol. i kinda feel the same. unfortunately, when it comes to objectifying women, too many seabeyond Feb 2014 #211

I see three LibDemAlways Feb 2014 #107

"butt thrusting a new sport?" I'll be the judge of that. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #139

. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #461

T&A sells magazines? who knew Baclava Feb 2014 #126

Gross. Fawke Em Feb 2014 #138

never. Scout Feb 2014 #150

Beautiful bigwillq Feb 2014 #152

I think it's the annual "Find the Swimsuit" issue. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #154

Or perhaps, the "Birthday Suit" issue? Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #256

I don't know about you, but I think proper dental hygenie is important Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #365

Obligatory "Eeeeeewwwww!" WinkyDink Feb 2014 #430

If i were a 70s sitcom Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #432

"disgusting" "horrendous" "horrific" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #158

+1. You'd think DU had been invaded by religious right fundies quinnox Feb 2014 #176

No kidding. Puglover Feb 2014 #403

Add a little of this... pacalo Feb 2014 #177

This OP seems high school boys lockery. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #192

I agree. Rex Feb 2014 #214

Quite common around here. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #218

True, very common in GD. Rex Feb 2014 #234

Indeed. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #241

Yes, which is why I find people freaking the fuck out over it amusing. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #222

Who could have seen this coming? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #438

Nobody expects Rex Feb 2014 #508

My boyfriend PasadenaTrudy Feb 2014 #203

Sometimes you just have to doff your hat at genetic perfection LittleBlue Feb 2014 #226

bah hahahaha. and with that belly laugh. outta here. lmfao. what a hoot seabeyond Feb 2014 #233

You must appreciate how many things must go right to look like that LittleBlue Feb 2014 #240

Or a very talented Photoshopper. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #244

Jeez... Hissyspit Feb 2014 #260

Only in part LittleBlue Feb 2014 #262

That is way overblown, in particular, symmetry. I said in part. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #263

The OP needs no justification LittleBlue Feb 2014 #265

Put in context, yes it does. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #268

Three models trying to sell magazines by looking sexy LittleBlue Feb 2014 #269

Posting it here is the context. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #271

(and all of that, in this instance, has been computer-generated) cyberswede Feb 2014 #298

Who knew photoshop existed in caveman days? kcr Feb 2014 #375

It may be comforting to believe this is all photoshop LittleBlue Feb 2014 #401

Evolutionary psychology is pseudoscience bunk kcr Feb 2014 #409

Standards of facial attractiveness at least are fairly universal in different cultures Fumesucker Feb 2014 #451

Note the part you left out kcr Feb 2014 #459

Quotes are limited to four paragraphs by fair use rules Fumesucker Feb 2014 #463

Fair use means you can't paraphrase? kcr Feb 2014 #465

I'll post what I wish to post and you can post what you wish Fumesucker Feb 2014 #468

it's been my experience... opiate69 Feb 2014 #479

Ymmv indeed kcr Feb 2014 #490

Ah, yes.. the dreaded "l" word.. I think that makes Bingo for me. opiate69 Feb 2014 #499

Libertarians. Big L. Rand Paul. Ayn Rand. But I think you knew that n/t kcr Feb 2014 #500

2 people whose ideas I vehemently abhor. tyvm. opiate69 Feb 2014 #504

Great. kcr Feb 2014 #509

Alert fail. zappaman Feb 2014 #458

Oh my... pacalo Feb 2014 #535

No button for you! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #596

I don't need a button. I'm the one who's been *forcing* people to click on the OP. pacalo Feb 2014 #659

Oh, I meant that esteemed superhero member of DU's Legion of Justice Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #662

Oh, I know... pacalo Feb 2014 #663

Wait. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #455

Because models are totally never photoshopped. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #247

I don't think it matters LittleBlue Feb 2014 #248

Those touch ups reinforce the cultural standard kcr Feb 2014 #413

It's obvious this was posted to inflame... Whisp Feb 2014 #236

If they could just roll out more Kate Upton for a while... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #239

When I was a kid Inkfreak Feb 2014 #254

Here is much more interesting and rec-worthy thread, everyone: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #257

How come the swimsuit edition always has women with almost no swimsuits on? bravenak Feb 2014 #259

They started the issue before the internet The2ndWheel Feb 2014 #273

I think you're wrong on that.. Upton Feb 2014 #278

I won't deny there is a certain novelty to the SI Swimsuit issue The2ndWheel Feb 2014 #301

It's the cross between playboy Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #279

well, Kali Feb 2014 #277

I have no problem explaining, although I am curious as to why I'm RiffRandell Feb 2014 #328

you aren't being researched Kali Feb 2014 #333

No offense, but I find people that use the word flamebait frequently are RiffRandell Feb 2014 #352

well, that is why I asked. Kali Feb 2014 #354

I used the term and I don't post flamebait. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #480

When we see OPs conveying blatant bigotry we don't hide it. redqueen Feb 2014 #344

Kali was speaking about MIRT, I believe Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #347

Blatant Bigotry? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #348

Yep. These women are dressed and posed as caricatures of female sexuality. redqueen Feb 2014 #367

So I take it you don't read magazines with people on the covers...or inside? nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #373

Reductio ad absurdum. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #379

"Don't you cast that spell at me, Mr. Harry Potter." Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #495

they're at the beach..... in beachwear.... opiate69 Feb 2014 #374

Research for which part of the site, if I might ask? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #332

yeah, MIRT Kali Feb 2014 #334

If I had to guess, I'd say Lemuria strikes again. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #336

yeah that one has been busy too Kali Feb 2014 #341

You all do a fine job. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #343

ESPN mag body issue.. one_voice Feb 2014 #282

Beautiful. HappyMe Feb 2014 #294

Gorgeous! nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #300

Nice. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #308

I um... LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #471

+1 oh goodness...+1! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #512

Needs moar Kap. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #513

A Valentine's Day card from you? How sweet! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #516

Yes all for you!! one_voice Feb 2014 #518

To quote Frances McDormand in "Fargo" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #592

Beautiful women! one_voice Feb 2014 #305

A couple of observations... opiate69 Feb 2014 #312

The divining is so mysterious and difficult - lol. 380 posts, open for about 8 hrs and 10 mostly seaglass Feb 2014 #384

Riiiight... because... opiate69 Feb 2014 #402

Exactly! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #415

If it was inconceivable this morning to you and Riff that this is how this thread was going to play seaglass Feb 2014 #423

not just obvious. painfully obvious. eShirl Feb 2014 #425

Great thread, Riff pintobean Feb 2014 #316

OK I give up. What sport are they in? eShirl Feb 2014 #329

Objectify much? Ridiculous photoshopping. The young one? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #337

It's Valentine's Day on DU!!! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #349

Why post this? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #369

Because a lot of people don't know where or how to find such pictures. A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #383

Seems like pure flaimbait to me. Wish it was not posted. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #388

Trash it then...that's what I do or just don't even bother reading them RiffRandell Feb 2014 #398

I am a host in GD so I don't do that. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #404

I wish I could give you a heart. kcr Feb 2014 #488

Thank you my friend. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #489

I think I do. kcr Feb 2014 #498

I see no reason to post this OP in GD. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #502

That's exactly what it was kcr Feb 2014 #505

Yep, FB, that's what I was trying to say A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #522

Past Issues Have Been Posted Here Before People! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #380

. pintobean Feb 2014 #387

"Revealed" indeed! LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #389

Man, some here got real pissed over this davidn3600 Feb 2014 #394

Yeah, but it has been done in the past and I'm getting the wrath? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #400

It is only to a certain group quinnox Feb 2014 #410

that would be wrong. surprise? check out the many people that called bullshit that had nothing to seabeyond Feb 2014 #414

Well, HoF-ers are all over this thread quinnox Feb 2014 #418

no. again. you would be wrong. seabeyond Feb 2014 #420

Right, I guess all those names I see in this thread are hallucinations quinnox Feb 2014 #421

I must be hallucinating too. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #542

We can call it "rec-shaming" davidn3600 Feb 2014 #554

Don't Rec the thread! YOU'LL GET ON THE LIST! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #598

We must both be then, because I just looked and see the same thread quinnox Feb 2014 #632

Oh, Dear me... I do hope that doesn't go on my permanent record!! opiate69 Feb 2014 #658

What Have I Done? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #660

I believe you may have broke DU! opiate69 Feb 2014 #661

Small acts of civil disobedience such as this make me feel all warm and fuzzy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #422

How does it fit the SOP of this room? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #426

At 438 replies, it fits GD because people are generally interested in discussing it. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #439

Replies do not mean it fits the SOP. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #442

Silly flamebait at that...nt Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #534

Not a crime, but it is sexist behavior. cui bono Feb 2014 #648

Anybody notice that they are all topless? B Calm Feb 2014 #397

And?? opiate69 Feb 2014 #399

Yep, is that bad? quinnox Feb 2014 #406

They have tops -They just aren't covered. RC Feb 2014 #487

It sucks that it's so, but I agree with all of the HoFers on this. Waiting For Everyman Feb 2014 #408

Thanks, you said it so much better than I could have Tumbulu Feb 2014 #510

... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2014 #589

Well said. cui bono Feb 2014 #680

+1 theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #685

My faith in DU is renewed. AngryAmish Feb 2014 #417

RR, you rock. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #419

Thanks Jeff! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #443

i think riff, you got a pat on the back from every guy in the mens group. throw out a naked woman seabeyond Feb 2014 #424

She gets two from me. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #429

Leave it to feminists to complain when women are freely expressing and celebrating their sexuality davidn3600 Feb 2014 #435

rofl Scout Feb 2014 #470

Attacking women AGAIN. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #493

That was hardly an attack on women or the models. cui bono Feb 2014 #681

:snort: Scout Feb 2014 #692

Finally, after 434 posts in this thread, the 435th post says the truth. RC Feb 2014 #507

Couldn't help but come back in here, could you? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #440

Here's a pat on the back from me, Riff... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #449

Thank you. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #450

You get a high five from me... one_voice Feb 2014 #456

I really appreciate this post. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #464

Uh, those women aren't naked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #448

Their Butts Are Too Small Dirty Socialist Feb 2014 #433

Here ya go quinnox Feb 2014 #441

You beat me to it. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #445

LOL. Great minds... quinnox Feb 2014 #446

Thanks Dirty Socialist Feb 2014 #454

By popular demand here is a preview of next year's cover The Straight Story Feb 2014 #453

But only if they're carrying tennis rackets. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #457

lol Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #531

Apparently, this sort of thing would never be legally permissible in "a public space" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #462

Or this one.. Upton Feb 2014 #474

Looks like the crowd approved. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #475

"yeah, but EXCEPT for medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #486

Yep, apparently they haven't gotten the word they're supposed to be outraged Upton Feb 2014 #491

I know! RiffRandell Feb 2014 #494

Oh wow. Oh my. Oh...... mzteris Feb 2014 #503

What's really sad are the people on this site cheering for it. redqueen Feb 2014 #575

Ah, I see the bikini hater brigade is out again. flvegan Feb 2014 #506

I guess bikinis are as oppressive as burkas to some people davidn3600 Feb 2014 #520

Notwithstanding you point, I just see outrage fail. flvegan Feb 2014 #523

Are you referring to me? nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #524

I don't think so. You posted the OP. flvegan Feb 2014 #525

Got it. RiffRandell Feb 2014 #526

More, actually. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #564

Yup.. who could forget this classic.. (as seen on DU..) opiate69 Feb 2014 #569

I'm not a bikini hater. mzteris Feb 2014 #578

Everyone knows this. It's been explained countless times in even more ways. redqueen Feb 2014 #586

Guess he's on the "naughty" list, eh? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #595

How is that still a thing? The internet has porn, the ESPN mag has naked athletes. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #515

Honestly, magazines in general are flailing desperately to justify their existence. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #536

The point is to remind people of women's place in society, and to pander to men who enjoy seeing redqueen Feb 2014 #576

I'm just not sure how it makes money. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #590

Appealing to men's enjoyment of their higher status in society makes big bucks. redqueen Feb 2014 #591

That really doesn't answer my question. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #593

It makes lots of money. And the reason is not sideboob. redqueen Feb 2014 #616

Sex sells...as always Catherine Vincent Feb 2014 #541

Nope. It's not sex that sells. redqueen Feb 2014 #577

Quelle surprise.. more "edumacating by blogger"... opiate69 Feb 2014 #582

Are you aware that this is sexist and exploitative of women? cui bono Feb 2014 #599

You don't know that Major Nikon Feb 2014 #634

I'm not saying that the swimsuit issue specifically caused anorexia to exist. cui bono Feb 2014 #638

Do you believe a man can...... Logical Feb 2014 #640

Yes, I do. But there is a time and a place, usually privately. cui bono Feb 2014 #641

Not even close..... Logical Feb 2014 #643

It's not just about the person it is directed at. cui bono Feb 2014 #646

Why should consenting adults be ashamed of their sexuality? Or hide it? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #651

But that's not the issue. The issue is the objectification of women. cui bono Feb 2014 #669

I'm not defensive, I simply don't agree. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #674

So why isn't it enough to know that women are offended by it to make you want to not do it? cui bono Feb 2014 #675

I'm sure the people who feel they're entitled to tell gay folks not to hold hands, THINK they are Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #676

I get that you don't agree and I have no problem with the debate. cui bono Feb 2014 #679

...almost everyone here does something that offends someone else, at some point Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #683

At best it's arguably a better fit for the sports forum Major Nikon Feb 2014 #671

I don't like to get into the gender wars, but I must say I've always wondered what liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #644

Leaving aside the 'sturm und drang' and global Defcon 5 crisis that a picture of 3 women in bikinis Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #654

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #656

If the cover is this good, I'm anxious to see what's inside. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #668

Yeah, they have several previous models featured. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #672

then you don't want to miss the Kate Upton bodypainting video - no photoshopping here Baclava Feb 2014 #691

I've been assured that there are no bodies that look like that in real life. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #694

I'm not going to lie; Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #678

Who ever hired Rob Liefeld to do the photoshopping for SI LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #684

Lily Aldridge looks the best to me. CFLDem Feb 2014 #686

More proof we need a meta forum. Rex Feb 2014 #687

And now, GD is going apeshit. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #688

Hold on...I'm not really outraged atm...okay here we go... Rex Feb 2014 #695

Apparently there are no 20something women in the world who actually have bodies like that. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #690

Even the women in that cover don't look like that in real life. backscatter712 Feb 2014 #704

It is. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #705

Back in the old days, they used airbrushing. backscatter712 Feb 2014 #706

Except I'm not talking about in magazines. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #707

Skylar Diggins, Alex Morgan among SI swimsuit issue athletes PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #700

Just HAD to kick it, didn't you? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #701

Riff, you made the 700 Club! edbermac Feb 2014 #702

Nice cartoon. backscatter712 Feb 2014 #703

Offensive and gross. nt RiffRandell Feb 2014 #708