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badtoworse

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33. IMO, what began happening to our economy around 1980 was inevitable
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 01:00 PM
Dec 2013

From the end of WWII until about 1970 or so, manufacturers had few options as to where to locate plants. Europe and Japan were being rebuilt and the countries we now call the Developing World did not have the infrastucture needed to support significant manufacturing. As a practical matter, the United States was the only game in town. After 1970, manufacturing capability in foreign countries was ramping up steadily and US manufacturers had options as to were they manufactured goods. (The awful cars that Detroit was selling in the 70's and 80's did not help matters.) Fast forward to the 90's and free trade agreements, starting with NAFTA, made it easier for foreign manufactured goods to compete with US made products. The net result was that US workers were competing with workers in foreign countries to provide manufacturing labor. Robots on assemby lines were reducing the number of workers needed, so that all workers were competing for pieces of a smaller pie. In effect, the supply of labor increased substantially and the demand for it went down. Economics 101: In that situation, the price for labor should go down and it did.

People at the higher end of the income scale were not and are not exposed to the same competitive pressures in providing their services. Their incomes also tend to be more closely tied to the performance of their companies (bonuses, stock options, etc.). The macroeconomic forces that worked to the detriment of labor favored management as business boomed and profitability increased.

It's easy to say that Reaganomics was responsible for the economic situation we are in today, but I don't see that. The forces that drove the world economy were already happening when Reagan was elected and would have continued even if Reagan lost. Had Carter won the 1980 election, what could he have done to change things? At best, he might have slowed things down for a few years. Could he have shielded the US labor market from foreign competition? For a few years, possibly, but no way he or anyone else could have done so indefinitely.

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Rec. Great Graphic........ Smarmie Doofus Dec 2013 #1
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities Wilms Dec 2013 #2
+1. n/t Smarmie Doofus Dec 2013 #4
Been saying that for 30 yrs FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #3
I wonder why they chose 1973 as a starting point and what would happen if they chose a different freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #5
1974 Housing Bubble FreakinDJ Dec 2013 #7
pre- and post- oil embargo? eShirl Dec 2013 #8
blue loses after 1968 hfojvt Dec 2013 #47
I agree, the true bend point is 1969 Sirveri Dec 2013 #48
it's income though - not wages hfojvt Dec 2013 #51
K & R for the collosal failure & expecting the backlash to turn LEFT in a huge way, can you mother earth Dec 2013 #6
Think how good we would be doing if we were following the pre-Reagan graph right now! Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #9
I remember old Bushy calling it VOODOO economics.... Historic NY Dec 2013 #10
Instead of naming an airport after Reagan, MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #11
Reagan's Debt! ReRe Dec 2013 #12
I think the REAGAN DEBT is better than Reagan's Debt. pangaia Dec 2013 #19
Yes.... ReRe Dec 2013 #32
BTW just to note hootinholler Dec 2013 #40
Sorry I didn't describe it accurately... ReRe Dec 2013 #46
Priceless..... pangaia Dec 2013 #44
Hedrick Smith reminds me of... ReRe Dec 2013 #45
Hey, Rupert Murdoch's billionaire donors paid for that privilege fair and square. Lasher Dec 2013 #13
The idea was not new. Government joined with corporations is fascism. And if the isn't good enough jwirr Dec 2013 #14
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #15
A great successs... Gary 50 Dec 2013 #16
Exact.. sendero Dec 2013 #30
I can't recommend this enough times liberal N proud Dec 2013 #17
Who's Mow? pangaia Dec 2013 #20
Who's... Gary 50 Dec 2013 #21
What's on second. pangaia Dec 2013 #23
Actually started decade before RR econoclast Dec 2013 #18
Your graphic shows the 1% also suffered a decline beginning in ~ 1973 ... Scuba Dec 2013 #24
The decline for the 1% econoclast Dec 2013 #25
What happened in the early '70's was gas prices skyrocketing. What happened in 1982 was Reagan. Scuba Dec 2013 #26
Respectfully disagree econoclast Dec 2013 #41
The Economic Recovery Act of 1981 was an across the board cut. badtoworse Dec 2013 #55
Reaganomics was the beginning of the end for the middle class nt HelenWheels Dec 2013 #22
1981 CountAllVotes Dec 2013 #27
Exactly gopiscrap Dec 2013 #28
K&R Agree. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #29
They lied all the way to the bank. KansDem Dec 2013 #31
IMO, what began happening to our economy around 1980 was inevitable badtoworse Dec 2013 #33
If the international labor market was the only consideration your theory would have more credence. Scuba Dec 2013 #34
Decades of high taxes and massive public spending would have preserved the economy? badtoworse Dec 2013 #35
Yes, a progressive tax system and public investment have benefited the economy .... Scuba Dec 2013 #36
Look at the attached graph from the St Louis Fed badtoworse Dec 2013 #37
Sure he cut taxes...for the top income earners. And then he raised taxes. Again and again and again progressoid Dec 2013 #49
If I recall correctly, income tax rates were cut across the board, not just on the wealthy badtoworse Dec 2013 #52
Yes, the initial cuts were across the board. progressoid Dec 2013 #54
Globalization moondust Dec 2013 #38
Revenue colsohlibgal Dec 2013 #39
All hail to Saint Ronnie, the gipper, whose deification is on the fast track. Glory be to indepat Dec 2013 #42
Yep kentuck Dec 2013 #43
Who Stole The American Dream - Video - Book cantbeserious Dec 2013 #50
I've Been Saying This For More Years Than ChiciB1 Dec 2013 #53
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