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econoclast

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18. Actually started decade before RR

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Mon Dec 9, 2013, 09:56 AM

Dec 2013

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It seems clear from this presentation by Piketty/Saez ( hat tip to krispos42 ) that there are three discrete turning points.

(1.) The income growth of the 99% peaked around 1972/73 After that it declined until around 1982

(2.) when the decline stopped and a very slow increase began.

(3.) The 1% 's dramatic increase also began around 1982.

The real impact on income increases for the 99% then seems to stem from the decade prior to 1982. Care to propose what caused this clear trend change in 1972/73 Oil shock? End of Bretton Woods?

We can rail against RR all we want, but the data clearly indicate that something else happened in the decade prior.

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Your graphic shows the 1% also suffered a decline beginning in ~ 1973 ... Scuba Dec 2013 #24

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