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5. 4. I've blamed Congress for 5 years for everything

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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:12 PM

Aug 2013

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Sorry, I'm confused by the President's speech. [View all] MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 OP

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Feel free to correct what I wrote. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #3

He said he thought it was necessary, that he has the authority, geek tragedy Aug 2013 #7

I lied? About what? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #36

Obama did not say he would attack regardless of what geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

Calling Congressional un-Representative and complain about anything is a waste of time, unless... Amonester Aug 2013 #51

Shouldn't that be a felony? Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #67

No, as long as their members of congress.... daleanime Aug 2013 #81

Not that you will listen, but the president said that those that did this will be punished. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #114

Wow! 15 hidden posts! Quite the community standard bearer. morningfog Aug 2013 #105

Up to 19 now. n/t QC Sep 2013 #149

He's trucking for a new record. morningfog Sep 2013 #150

If you disagree, then put forth a decent argument. But you cant do anything but rhett o rick Aug 2013 #113

In other words.... Logical Aug 2013 #6

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You accuse him of whining.....by whining! Classic! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #11

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+1000 nt Andy823 Aug 2013 #87

+100. So true. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #53

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #15

You think Obama is always wrong? I dont think so. But his neo-con view on the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

Oh this one can always find something to whine about. He is known for it. Pisces Aug 2013 #46

That train is never late. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #48

Why not take the night off to regroup, Manny. Even the POTUS played golf today. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #2

Same for you! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #8

just had cocktail hour! KittyWampus Aug 2013 #12

I'm jealous (posted from my office at 5:45 PM Saturday).... mike_c Aug 2013 #77

LOL! Obama Decision On U.S. Syria Attack Wins Applause From Skeptical Liberals - HuffPo ProSense Aug 2013 #19

first, he never said a congressional "no" would idle him. second, unblock Aug 2013 #4

Correct, the money will be flowing into congressional campaigns itsrobert Aug 2013 #29

Shouldn't that be a felony? Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #73

yes. yes it should. unblock Aug 2013 #121

4. I've blamed Congress for 5 years for everything leftstreet Aug 2013 #5

So it would be better if he just did it? treestar Aug 2013 #13

No. (Is 'ODS' Obama Delirium Syndrome?) leftstreet Aug 2013 #16

Would you point me to where Obama specifically said he'd bomb Syria madokie Aug 2013 #94

You've changed the subject treestar Aug 2013 #95

So you think Obama supporters are delirious? leftstreet Aug 2013 #96

Some might say he is stalling for time. immoderate Aug 2013 #10

Stalling for time is way better pscot Aug 2013 #18

I would have to agree... immoderate Aug 2013 #44

I hope it's stalling for time..... paleotn Aug 2013 #88

It has nothing to do with war powers. morningfog Aug 2013 #106

Here: ProSense Aug 2013 #17

"but having made my decision..." MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #20

One Way Manny: he has made his, now others have to make theirs. Whisp Aug 2013 #21

His decision, as CIC, to do what? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #23

I think your semantics are wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #37

I think you correctly interpreted that phrase. randome Aug 2013 #40

Decision to assess and prepare for a strike. ProSense Aug 2013 #22

So if Congress disagrees, we won't attack? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #24

Well, then Congress could impeach him. ProSense Aug 2013 #28

Conditional support for a strike MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #33

"They've not said if those conditions have been met. " ProSense Aug 2013 #39

Yes, they have. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #42

Congress cannot impeach a President merely over a disagreement. Nor should it. If HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #63

What? MFrohike Aug 2013 #82

Well, the Constitution may be 'quaint and obsolete' (to quote the Bush HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #85

Ok MFrohike Aug 2013 #92

I'm with you- the President rarely speaks off the cuff Hydra Aug 2013 #25

If so, the thing strikes me as just weird. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #30

I agree, at first blush it's a weirdly presented speech Hydra Aug 2013 #56

Decision on what he believes is the right thing to do. pnwmom Aug 2013 #72

We're not the world's "oldest constitutional democracy". Unless you exclude HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #61

They don't actually have a written Constitution, ya know, Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #65

"Words, words, words" as Hamlet once said :) Now we're talking a HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #69

Details. LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #74

From past observations. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #93

Why dont you add your take on this? It's easy to cut and paste. Tell us how you feel. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #117

Of course you're confused. The loyal opposition is supposed to always object. randome Aug 2013 #26

So Obama's letting Congress decide MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #32

That's where the power to declare war is supposed to reside. randome Aug 2013 #35

Obama's oath of office requires him to be responsible for... grasswire Aug 2013 #68

Congress gave away that power. Maybe this is the first step toward forcing them to take it back. randome Aug 2013 #78

Congress can't "give away that power" grasswire Aug 2013 #89

He is playing politics with this decision. morningfog Aug 2013 #107

Totally correct itsrobert Aug 2013 #27

I'm glad Obama is seeking Congressional approval. Maedhros Aug 2013 #34

There could be political consequences but not legal ones. randome Aug 2013 #60

International law is pretty clear about dropping bombs on countries that haven't threatened you.[n/t Maedhros Aug 2013 #120

But that's the point. Is he? BlueStreak Aug 2013 #71

I'm hoping he does, but I'm not holding my breath. Maedhros Aug 2013 #119

In the case of Libya, there was genuine multi-lateral support BlueStreak Aug 2013 #122

I tend to agree... greytdemocrat Aug 2013 #43

No, this President said, I will give this congress enough rope to hang itself .... MindMover Aug 2013 #31

"The butcher of Damascus" Ocelot Aug 2013 #49

If pictures taken of innocents suffocating from gas, do not convince you that he is a butcher then MindMover Aug 2013 #50

So what would that make us then zeemike Aug 2013 #80

So you are stating that this butcher will place civilians in military targets, much like MindMover Aug 2013 #84

So those bombed weddings and such from drones with the dead kids. MyNameGoesHere Aug 2013 #90

Only a complete idiot would think Assad is behind the gas attacks Ocelot Sep 2013 #131

So the entire intelligence community is wrong .... BS MindMover Sep 2013 #133

The stupid is strong with this one (n/t) Ocelot Sep 2013 #139

You can call me anything you want, the facts are irrefutable ..... MindMover Sep 2013 #140

You haven't presented any facts, only spew Ocelot Sep 2013 #141

This is just the latest ..... dipstick MindMover Sep 2013 #142

Fail Ocelot Sep 2013 #143

and your strawman arguments and disinformation is more real ..... MindMover Sep 2013 #144

That's "are more real", Curveball... Ocelot Sep 2013 #145

May your gods be with you and your regime ..... on the way out .... MindMover Sep 2013 #146

Yep, you want exactly what Al Qaeda wants Ocelot Sep 2013 #147

You and your Alquaeda can go FYourself ... you will see who gets who ... MindMover Sep 2013 #148

Anyone sufficiently outraged to want military action should call 1-888-550-ARMY (2769). AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #59

Been there, done that .... MindMover Aug 2013 #79

Do it again if you are sufficiently outraged. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #109

Here's what I think he means - completely different to yours. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #41

Yup, exactly Ocelot Aug 2013 #45

If he goes ahead after congress says no, he will confirm all the righties delusions n2doc Aug 2013 #47

No he did not say he will attack. iandhr Aug 2013 #52

He most certainly did say that earlier this week...... Little Star Aug 2013 #55

Yes iandhr Aug 2013 #57

I didn't hear him say either that he would or that he would not go w/o Congress. freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #66

You only said "No he did not say he will attack." Now you want to talk about... Little Star Aug 2013 #76

poor lil Manny Richardo Aug 2013 #54

Maybe he can single payer healthcare passed this way? Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #58

Not that I didn't appreciate it, but he voted against going to war with Iraq truebluegreen Sep 2013 #128

Pretty sure he said we should take military action Bradical79 Aug 2013 #62

Almost freedom fighter jh Aug 2013 #64

You need hearing aids. pnwmom Aug 2013 #70

Good thing you're not confused by the wording of the resolution jsr Aug 2013 #75

Congress approved of the war in Iraq iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #83

Different time, (largely) different Congress, different President BuelahWitch Sep 2013 #135

we hear what we want. spanone Aug 2013 #86

Perhaps you should read his actual words Just Saying Aug 2013 #91

Deciding as Commander In Chief has a pretty important meaning, no? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #97

actually I think you're right and if I'm reading this correctly azurnoir Aug 2013 #98

He doesn't have to go to Congress Just Saying Aug 2013 #100

IMO he's giving them a political out eta azurnoir Aug 2013 #111

Does morality or even practicality / efficacy fit in there in any way? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #129

wellwe're told the morality is attacking Syria to punish Assad azurnoir Sep 2013 #136

Don't care what we are told, since I don't believe a word of it. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #138

Absolutely and it's his decision to make. Just Saying Aug 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Aug 2013 #101

You're wrong on #3, partly. David__77 Aug 2013 #102

He said, "Either attack or treaties mean nothing" (even though Syria never signed). Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #103

That's it. This is his war, by god, and he will have it. morningfog Aug 2013 #104

The fix is in. He wouldn't have given this speech of the votes morningfog Aug 2013 #108

I got that feeling too. bvar22 Aug 2013 #112

+1 woo me with science Aug 2013 #116

OBAMA BAD BAD BAD!!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #110

Give him some slack, he isnt always bad. Maybe just his neo-con view of the middle east. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #118

What neocon view of killing?!? That is bullshit and you know it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #126

The jury is still out for me. But I give him credit for taking this to Congress. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #130

Yes. Apparently you are...nt SidDithers Aug 2013 #123

Don't worry. The worshippers will hold your hand and walk you to the pulpit where you can be saved. L0oniX Sep 2013 #124

K&R If only... n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #125

Well...best to keep 'em guessing. nt Zorra Sep 2013 #127

Looks like you were right. QC Sep 2013 #132

Maybe you shouldn't listen to speeches. gulliver Sep 2013 #134

Nah, it keeps life interesting. MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #137