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Drunken Irishman

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50. You're right.

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 05:23 PM

Aug 2013

This is all speculative - even right down to the supposed intoxication of this woman. We have a tape. That's it. We haven't seen it, we don't know what their definition of clearly intoxicated - except that she was swaying (maybe she was moving to the music). Was she falling over herself? Was she slurring her words? Was she puking? Blacking out?

So, isn't this whole thing based on speculation? You're pretty much speculating the man obviously knew she was drunk...and some others have speculated he purposely gave her alcohol because he knew she was cut off. We're all speculating ... as are the prosecutors. They're speculating he knew she was drunk. They're speculating her swaying was enough to tip him off. They're speculating all around.

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Woman kills 2 in DUI wreck; Prosecutors go after bar customer who bought her drinks [View all] apples and oranges Aug 2013 OP

Closer call then the headline suggests. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #1

Yeah...but you can't blame those drinks for her being drunk. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #7

Probably an acquittal, but still . .. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #9

Where do we draw the line, though? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #14

He was acting with reckless disregard to her health, at the very least. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #15

How'd he know? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #18

it's against the law to provide booze to someone who's obviously impaired nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #20

Obviously not or the establishment would be charged too... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #29

Had she been at the bar, bartender would get prosecuted and bar sued. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #32

That's not my point... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #35

If the bartender never saw her . . . nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

He had to have seen her to give her drinks... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #39

Depends who they have on tape, etc. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #40

Na'. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #41

They have evidence that he provided her booze knowing she was intoxicated. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #48

You're right. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #50

There needs to be a factual predicate to support the inference. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #53

There really isn't... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #55

You've never seen anyone you could describe as "clearly intoxicated?" nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #56

Sure...but I don't know how this woman was acting. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #58

If you see someone swaying and stumbling in a bar, you don't assume they're drunk? nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #59

I can't assume anything... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #62

Tell that to the bartender, not the customer. nt babylonsister Aug 2013 #30

There are more Americans in jails per capita than any other nation, it's because PA's are allowed... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #22

+1 Go Vols Aug 2013 #43

Maybe he knew she was cut off and was trying to get around that? In that case, he should be as bettyellen Aug 2013 #45

From 3 drinks?! Unnnn, you'd have to prove he KNEW about the previous drinks no? tia uponit7771 Aug 2013 #19

He may have been high or drunk himself apples and oranges Aug 2013 #27

it's the bar management's responsibility to monitor drinking noiretextatique Aug 2013 #31

She was already stumbling and wobbling when he gave her the drinks? Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #2

Thats really messed up. bunnies Aug 2013 #3

I suspect they went after the bartender first, hughee99 Aug 2013 #5

From the article: bunnies Aug 2013 #16

I'm sure she was overserved before hand, but from the video hughee99 Aug 2013 #36

Thats no excuse. bunnies Aug 2013 #49

20 drinks in a four hour period? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #4

Yes. I did it in college Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #10

We used to knock down a shot of tequila every 15 minutes Link Speed Aug 2013 #61

Here's a handy dandy calculator wercal Aug 2013 #13

There's video at the link tammywammy Aug 2013 #21

She's probably a professional drinker. bunnies Aug 2013 #25

If she was 230lbs, her BAC would have been .323. hughee99 Aug 2013 #47

I say go after him Warpy Aug 2013 #6

Disagree. Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #12

and... bunnies Aug 2013 #23

He bought drinks for an obviously blotto woman the bar had cut off Warpy Aug 2013 #34

But I'm to buy it was the 17th drink that tipped the scale? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #37

Good luck with that one in a court of law. Warpy Aug 2013 #42

Sadly, you're right... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #44

Its still the bars responsibility. bunnies Aug 2013 #46

Had she not taken those drinks, we do not know if that would have changed the outcome NoOneMan Aug 2013 #60

Did he even know she planned to drive? gollygee Aug 2013 #8

Duran (customer) can always say he didn't think she'd be driving GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #11

That's strange. HappyMe Aug 2013 #17

heavy alcohol use outside the home is nuts markiv Aug 2013 #24

Now and forever.. SummerSnow Aug 2013 #26

Are they going after the alcoholism industry? nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #28

My guess is they're going after drinking and fornication apples and oranges Aug 2013 #54

The Nannie State will be Safer !! Thanks to these guys warrant46 Aug 2013 #33

Bars are in business to sell liquor, unaccompanied women often get "free" drinks SoCalDem Aug 2013 #51

Almost every state has some form of this law madville Aug 2013 #52

"misdemeanor for "any person" to knowingly serve alcohol to an intoxicated person." How intoxicated GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #57