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beevul

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98. "Common"?

Fri Aug 2, 2013, 02:57 PM

Aug 2013

AR style rifles are "common" murder weapons...that's the implication you're making here.

Reality says otherwise:

There were a grand total of 323 murders with rifles in 2011. That's ALL rifles. The AR type rifle is a subset of ALL rifles, and most assuredly accounts for only a fraction of that 323. Handguns were involved in over 6 thousand on the other hand.

Lets go over your entire list:

Knives: 1,694

poison: 5

hammers/blunt objects: 496

explosives: 12

log splitting mauls: unknown:

chainsaws: unknown

bolt action rifles: (all rifles total 323) a portion of 323

Wood chippers: unknown

AR style rifles: (all rifles 323) a portion of 323

Source:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

In a word: Fail.

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