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The Convergence of the �Third-Way Left� and the �Dick Cheney Right.� [View all] last1standing Jul 2013 OP

Lets call them what they are DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #1

I'd call them internet viruses. last1standing Jul 2013 #2

The common principle is authoritarianism. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #3

I'd only change the word "state" to "their" and then I'd agree with your entire post. last1standing Jul 2013 #4

yes indeed. I agree that their view on unlimited state power is conditional Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #5

Interesting perspective, and I don't disagree with you. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #38

Cheney's wife is running for US Senator from Wyoming. DhhD Jul 2013 #63

Daughter, not wife Canuckistanian Jul 2013 #67

"They" are a loose coalition of the rich and powerful. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #93

Yes, this is correct. closeupready Jul 2013 #7

Does that include limits on the power of the state to intervene geek tragedy Jul 2013 #10

This is where Democracy comes in AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #43

oh noes I've fallen into your clever paulbot trap! Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #66

That's not a straightforward answer. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #70

I'll address one of your points. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #95

Sure, with the consequences also being to increase the taxes on the working poor geek tragedy Jul 2013 #99

blah blah blah Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #100

You just bashed him for "taxing the shit out of the poor" yet here geek tragedy Jul 2013 #101

This is the correct answer. woo me with science Jul 2013 #89

Little Adolph, Josef, and Mao wannabees? indepat Jul 2013 #77

100% correct. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #90

Well put. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #113

Cheney/Bush didn't just support it, they greatly expanded it carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #6

So, you're perfectly cool with lumping all outraged at the NSA story in with Rand Paul geek tragedy Jul 2013 #8

I didn't set up this strawman, I'm just trying to knock it down. last1standing Jul 2013 #12

Seems like you're trying to have it both ways. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13

Again, I didn't build this strawman. Are you complaining on the other "convergence" OP? last1standing Jul 2013 #14

What's your reaction to this (no cheating): geek tragedy Jul 2013 #18

I would characterize it as possibly a good thing if proper safeguards are put in place. last1standing Jul 2013 #19

An entirely rational response. Clearly, if anyone's thrown the Ron/Rand Paul geek tragedy Jul 2013 #22

I won't speak for everybody but many here feel the same way. last1standing Jul 2013 #29

It's not so much the absolutists on security as that the rhetoric takes on anti-government geek tragedy Jul 2013 #31

Government is a tool humans use Fumesucker Jul 2013 #37

The problem is both the specific data collected and the uses to which it could be put. last1standing Jul 2013 #40

If it makes you feel any better "authoritarian" gets used in similarly promiscuous geek tragedy Jul 2013 #41

Sure, but that doesn't shut down discussion in itself. last1standing Jul 2013 #42

There are many here who will belittle at the drop of a hat! 7962 Jul 2013 #65

None of this has anything to do with what the NSA is doing A Simple Game Jul 2013 #44

I would say that I don't like it on it's face. blackspade Jul 2013 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #30

Are you complaining on this one? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #69

Since when is Third Way part of "The Left"? NoPasaran Jul 2013 #9

It became equated with the left when Democratic politicians began using their talking points. last1standing Jul 2013 #15

I think I see your problem NoPasaran Jul 2013 #16

I'm old enough to remember when it was. last1standing Jul 2013 #17

And when would that have been? NoPasaran Jul 2013 #20

No offense but that is some extreme cherry picking. last1standing Jul 2013 #25

Also the party of NoPasaran Jul 2013 #51

I heard a Democrat once shot a man just to watch him die. last1standing Jul 2013 #55

You have to reach back quite a ways yourself NoPasaran Jul 2013 #56

No. My Democratic party still exists. Read the threads at DU to prove it to yourself. last1standing Jul 2013 #57

Please don't make assumptions about what you think "my Democratic Party" is. NoPasaran Jul 2013 #58

No. You attacked me as naive and foolish. last1standing Jul 2013 #60

Was Bill Clinton a member of "your" Democratic Party? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #73

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I don't usually make extremist judgments on people. last1standing Jul 2013 #74

According to the third-wayers AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #59

Huh? OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #71

Is that ALL people on the left? Are there NONE who still call themselves Democrats? last1standing Jul 2013 #72

You're on the trailing edge of a Moebius strip. OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #75

"I'm the only one who can satisfy my requirements," sounds a bit libertarian. last1standing Jul 2013 #76

The only comment in your response even remotely relative to mine OilemFirchen Jul 2013 #78

Then we're obviously not communicating. last1standing Jul 2013 #80

You are sorely mistaken AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #110

That doesn't matter because Democrats were segregationists. last1standing Jul 2013 #112

The Dixiecrats were a separate political party AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #115

I guess I should have used the sarcasm smilie. last1standing Jul 2013 #116

You never know AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #117

And genocidal maniacs like Andrew Jackson.... blackspade Jul 2013 #104

I agree with this.... YoungDemCA Jul 2013 #33

You picked some poor examples of Democrats. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #49

So true, that is something we have all learned over the past few years 'anyone can call themselves sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #62

Thank you. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #53

+1 nt Zorra Jul 2013 #24

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #32

+1 woo me with science Jul 2013 #36

Since they call themselves Democrats burnodo Jul 2013 #94

Don't forget that they support torture, too ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #11

Surveillance state supporters heart the Carlyle Group and PNAC. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #21

+1 woo me with science Jul 2013 #92

You lost me at 'good Democrats.' n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #23

NeoCons and NeoLibs. 3rd Way and Republican "moderates". Samey-Same. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #26

Indeed, it is shameful and they have shown they don't understand anything about what it means to be quinnox Jul 2013 #27

They play this game, but they get very upset when people like and me use the very same tactics sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #28

Not many of those who recommended the other 'convergence' thread have ventured in here. last1standing Jul 2013 #46

It's hard defending the indefensible, so when that happens, when you find yourself in that sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #61

It's funny how few of the posters in question think of themselves as third-way. last1standing Jul 2013 #82

Agreed, but... B Stieg Jul 2013 #34

I do remember. last1standing Jul 2013 #45

Agreed. "Just the lesser of the evils" to vote for again. B Stieg Jul 2013 #47

Remember "Hold your nose then hold his feet to the fire"? last1standing Jul 2013 #52

But what.... AlbertCat Jul 2013 #54

That's why the had to go a Third Way. Populist values weren't enriching them n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #35

Yup. It's a slimy rhetorical tactic, woo me with science Jul 2013 #39

Thanks. last1standing Jul 2013 #50

Thanks. I'm amazed at those who don't see it. last1standing Jul 2013 #91

LOL !!! - Outstanding Post !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #48

Burn! libodem Jul 2013 #64

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #68

k&r avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #79

Kick !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #81

The convergence of the Snowden-supporting left, and the Ron Paul / Stormfront right... SidDithers Jul 2013 #83

It must have been since you rec'd the other 'convergence' thread that started this. last1standing Jul 2013 #84

The other thread is true... SidDithers Jul 2013 #85

LOL! You're nothing if not consistent, Sid. last1standing Jul 2013 #86

I see what you did here, bvar22 Jul 2013 #87

Personally, Sid's response is my favorite. last1standing Jul 2013 #88

that sums it up perfectly!! Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #96

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #97

the Dick Cheney Democrats --- Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #98

And both pincers rolled around to find Obama there. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #102

Reminds me of the line from Shakespeare Progressive dog Jul 2013 #105

Always good to know someone else enjoys Shakespeare. last1standing Jul 2013 #108

knr for the Dick Cheney Democrats Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #106

kick woo me with science Jul 2013 #107

mn Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #109

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