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caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
25. I don't think one issue can be split from the other.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:00 AM
Jul 2013

One stance undercuts the other. If it wasn't going to be disclosed by someone working in the NSA ranks, how else did you expect it to be uncovered? Plus, the NSA and CIA do their work in the very same way Snowden did his disclosure. Through getting moles and spying. Homeland Security suppressed the Occupy Movement in just that way. Yet, Snowden is the unlawful one?

The main people the NSA program was spying on were US citizens, who had a right to know. And we are not a foreign power to our government.

If the government is turning Fascist and has so much power, our options are limited as to how to scale it back. Snowden is like Daniel Ellsberg, who has praised him, and if liberals such as yourself can't embrace Snowden, then we can call the struggle against fascism lost. Everybody will think twice about stopping it if Liberals are going to adopt the Conservative-fascist "rule of law" meme without question and kick Snowden under the bus.

Android3.14's stalking you? All that information is available publicly here with two clicks of a mouse if you've never noticed. If you're that touchy about surveillance, you should really think twice about what Snowden is doing for you.

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You don't think it's because he is in a foreign land telling them about US agencies? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #1
Speaking of "twist it any way you want . . ." Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #3
a 'foreign land' ...those pesky Ruskies again Swagman Jul 2013 #8
Any country out side the US borders is foreign liberal N proud Jul 2013 #10
How does it feel Android3.14 Jul 2013 #13
Are you stalking me? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #15
I don't think one issue can be split from the other. caseymoz Jul 2013 #25
Providing information to foreign entities is espionage liberal N proud Jul 2013 #30
If "most alert Americans" already knew about the spying, why wouldn't the Russians? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #38
I certainly support this "traitor" tom_kelly Jul 2013 #14
Isn't this a dupe thread? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #2
No rules against duplicate threads in GD Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #4
Anything to propel the propaganda liberal N proud Jul 2013 #5
LOL Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #7
Definitely liberal N proud Jul 2013 #9
Or to "catapult the propaganda" backscatter712 Jul 2013 #18
I have no heroes! liberal N proud Jul 2013 #20
How do you feel about the right to privacy? grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #26
My problem with Snowden isn't the fact that he exposed the data collection liberal N proud Jul 2013 #29
Cuz he doesn't want to be tortured or held without trial? Sorry, in my view, he's defending our grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #31
Defending a Constitution that he will probably never enjoy again? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #34
Hard to do from prison. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #36
In solitary, with no access to the media or even a trial? grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #39
You have already convicted him yourself liberal N proud Jul 2013 #40
No, they have people adjudicated not guilt in Gitmo... Yet they are still imprisoned. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #41
If we all knew it was happening ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #35
I would be not surprised if those who distrust JoePhilly Jul 2013 #6
Sorry. There are no dupe threads in GD burnodo Jul 2013 #11
And everyday is Groundhog's day. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #12
Thanks, I recced that one too. morningfog Jul 2013 #17
Thank you, Rep. Conyers! klook Jul 2013 #16
I Couldn't Agree More pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #19
+ 1,000,000,000 - K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #22
+1. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #23
Maybe you can post the list grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #27
interestingly, that's what the MSM means by "the extremes of left and right": MisterP Jul 2013 #32
Video of the truth-telling Catherina Jul 2013 #21
Thanks for posting that zeemike Jul 2013 #24
Look who we've got living here under the justification of 'political asylum' matthews Jul 2013 #28
The "Wizard" is getting nervous. nt ladjf Jul 2013 #33
Looks like this "manufactured, non-story" isn't going away. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #37
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