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284. You aren't having a discussion.. You made up a "fact"

Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:10 PM

Jul 2013

That the OP says you cannot criticize Ellsberg and then ran with it. The OP said no such thing. Nowhere in this thread does the OP say or even insinuate that Ellsberg is beyond criticism, yet you keep defending this position that no one is arguing against.

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How far have we sunk as a party that we will now attack Ellsberg? [View all] last1standing Jul 2013 OP

It's getting harder and harder not to sound like Republican these days. Octafish Jul 2013 #1

Even most republicans agree that Ellsberg is a hero. last1standing Jul 2013 #8

Well there are some so called Democrats on this board doing that very thing. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #47

It's not about tearing down Ellsberg as it is defending Obama duffyduff Jul 2013 #66

Yes, it is a cult of personality, but it also is merrily Jul 2013 #111

The Obama "cult of personality" thing is a RW talking point, AFAIAC. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #242

Unfortunately it absolutely is not. cui bono Jul 2013 #322

Excellent point. No DUer wants to see any bandwidth go toward smearing Obama. Octafish Jul 2013 #226

Nailed It! fredamae Jul 2013 #234

I am a socialist and proud if it. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #281

This should be it's own OP. Thanks for this post (I'm late getting around to reading through it).nt chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #345

It's as easy as it ever was not to sound Republican. merrily Jul 2013 #108

You forget "worship of the power structure is 'underground'" villager Jul 2013 #146

Some have left for their proper site. Rex Jul 2013 #309

Never attacked Ellsberg in my life. aquart Jul 2013 #2

I promise this thread isn't indirect propaganda for Snowden. last1standing Jul 2013 #4

South Vietnam wasn't our ally? How about other ASEAN countries? kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #17

Kennedy was blamed by many to being the virgogal Jul 2013 #158

Who changed the coup into the murder of Diem, Nhu and a Catholic priest? Octafish Jul 2013 #244

Thanks for that information. virgogal Jul 2013 #313

You really need to check out the thread in question, imho. It's really low, gutter-type HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #86

Neither did Snowden. Ellsberg released information, same as Snowden, that our 'enemies' sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #198

You're going to see much, much worse NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #3

I truly hope not. last1standing Jul 2013 #10

doesn't take nostradamus...what DO you call this? NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #26

+1 I agree....those praticipating in blind allegiance are not immune. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #31

It is really depressing when you start putting it all together. nt Live and Learn Jul 2013 #45

All that it's going to take is another major war, and poof, we'll be a police state, if indeed leveymg Jul 2013 #82

An excellent summary,. however not "one day" more like tomorrow, the changes are in place NOW! Civilization2 Jul 2013 #189

Those apologists will inhabit the same cell blocks as we radicals. The apologists HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #214

well, they genuinely think they're saving the Party from Robespierre wannabes MisterP Jul 2013 #331

"They" (meaning the Dem apologists for the National Surveillance State) need HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #338

they will be at the forefront--the moment Jan. 2017 rolls around MisterP Jul 2013 #344

Pretty low. (It's sad to witness.) deurbano Jul 2013 #5

The tent got too big. Too many conservatives, escaping from the other party decided to bring their rhett o rick Jul 2013 #264

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #6

From the same thread... Apparently, Democracy Now! is also suspect. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #7

Why should Ellsberg be off-limits to free speech feet to the fire truth to the power etc etc? n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #9

You seem to misunderstand 'free speech.' last1standing Jul 2013 #15

Does simply disagreeing with him count as "smearing"? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #132

Not at all. How can we learn if we never disagree? n/t last1standing Jul 2013 #135

No, but posting that he is a racist without any evidence does. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #302

What does that have to do with me? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #346

People have been smearing him, Hissyspit Jul 2013 #347

OK. Thanks for clearing that up. arely staircase Jul 2013 #348

Don't worry. The only ones with gag orders are the whistle blowers. think Jul 2013 #28

Why should Ellsberg be off-limits to free speech feet to the fire truth to the power etc etc? n/t merrily Jul 2013 #128

So, only the President should be criticized? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #187

Is Ellsberg an elected official? Why are all Liberal authors, Whistle Blowers, like Ellsberg and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #201

When you call for the impeachment of a Democratic president, you make geek tragedy Jul 2013 #202

Show a quote. Link. Something other than endless characterizations. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #229

So, you're on the "Ellsberg didn't say it side" as opposed to geek tragedy Jul 2013 #236

Ah, so you are on the 'make up some crap and pretend Dan said it' side. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #239

That video starts off with "do you think Obama should be impeached" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #241

But you said this was said in 'multiple interviews' but you offer this video clip only. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #253

Move the goalposts much? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #257

He absolutely does not say what you claim. Which is why you refused to quote when asked to quote. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #260

I went and got my earphones. The first question is not as you say and Dan does not say what Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #259

He is asked whether he would support impeachment, and his response is that Obama geek tragedy Jul 2013 #267

Those are two different things. spooky3 Jul 2013 #278

Saying that Obama has "committed impeachable offenses", bvar22 Jul 2013 #279

Just show a bit of character for once and apologize, for crying out loud. Marr Jul 2013 #292

You think that's an egregious twisting of words compared to geek tragedy Jul 2013 #298

God, stop squirming and lying. It's gross. Marr Jul 2013 #301

That's your interpretation. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #303

It's not an interpretation, it's a fact. You claimed he said a thing that he did not say. Marr Jul 2013 #306

no kidding fascisthunter Jul 2013 #326

He didn't call for the impeachment of Obama, and you didn't answer my question. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #285

Great Post!! hueymahl Jul 2013 #275

We should be able to be critical of everyone, especially those that are elected. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #263

Why should Obama be off-limits? burnodo Jul 2013 #182

kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11

*or* is Daniel attacking *me* (I realize, NOT "us") n/t UTUSN Jul 2013 #12

So we've found your saint/hero? treestar Jul 2013 #13

If you can only post insults we have little to say to each other. last1standing Jul 2013 #18

You seem to be saying there are certain people who should never be treestar Jul 2013 #49

Much better, but that is definitely not what I'm saying. last1standing Jul 2013 #53

Him suggesting that Snowden should be in fear for his life was a bit over-the-top IMHO. Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #104

And that's a great way to criticize Ellsberg. last1standing Jul 2013 #109

the word "criticism" and the word "smear" treestar Jul 2013 #130

Can you honestly read that other OP and the posts supporting it and tell me those were valid... last1standing Jul 2013 #138

This is the same shit the rabid dogs used when they attacked Congressman Grayson in these pages DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #25

It would be helpful to have a list of those who are above criticism pinned to the top of the forum. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #44

Amen! treestar Jul 2013 #50

The OP didn't even mention the president. This is about slandering Ellsberg, not Obama. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #100

And I was stating that many people treestar Jul 2013 #122

I hope you don't mean me with that post because I never said or insinuated that. last1standing Jul 2013 #145

Do you have a specific criticism of Ellsberg or just a general one? think Jul 2013 #153

The sound of those chirping crickets is . . . positively HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #341

Nobody is saying Ellsberg shouldn't be criticized. Maedhros Jul 2013 #273

Specifically, criticize Ellsberg for his actions long ago or his ideas. But HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #342

I see you are using the group emoticon. How loyal. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #159

The Official Authoritarian ROFL. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #184

You can talk? treestar Jul 2013 #200

Here is a thread you should enjoy. A whistle-blower didnt get away from the authoritarian state. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #166

I think it's Assange, Greenwald, Snowden and now Ellsberg... SidDithers Jul 2013 #235

I KNEW I'd read that sort of language somewhere.... mike_c Jul 2013 #40

I don't understand. treestar Jul 2013 #52

Do you ever discuss issues or just insult people? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #161

What was insulting about that? treestar Jul 2013 #207

I want the Patriot Act repealed, do you agree? Here's a thread discussing the issue. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #258

You aren't having a discussion.. You made up a "fact" SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #284

Is he an attention seeker? nt sibelian Jul 2013 #174

Why do you think that when people respect the actions of an individual that person is their sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #204

SWEEPING GENERALIZATION ALERT!!! Trajan Jul 2013 #14

It is axiomatic. Bonobo Jul 2013 #16

Feel free to quote me... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #33

I like that! Bonobo Jul 2013 #37

That is good /nt Dragonfli Jul 2013 #75

He was a nutter, but he said some truly deep shit BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #140

I can only hope that such ("He was a nutter, but HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #219

Perhaps the highest praise there is BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #265

If you get a chance, you might want to read Erasmus' "In Praise of Folly". Erasmus HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #266

I have read some Erasmus but not that. I will check it out BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #268

It aint' the whole party TransitJohn Jul 2013 #19

Yep zeemike Jul 2013 #91

ETA: If Ellsberg is going to insert himself into the political process he's fair game. ucrdem Jul 2013 #20

Please tell me that was sarcasm. Please. last1standing Jul 2013 #24

Sit the hell down and learn some respect DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #27

DU has been so infiltrated Pharaoh Jul 2013 #78

some of them ARE PAID the gov't admits to doing this NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #84

I do believe though Pharaoh Jul 2013 #89

I truly belive you are right and it's a real worry Swagman Jul 2013 #179

I am inclined to agree navarth Jul 2013 #218

Not much learnin' goin' on in Riverside I see... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #60

you mean my secrets surely Swagman Jul 2013 #178

Please keep posting LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #192

This is one of your more illuminating statements suffragette Jul 2013 #233

Did you just DEFEND the break-in at Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #329

So some posts on DU now speak for the entire party? iandhr Jul 2013 #21

It is those who would put party before policy who are smearing him. last1standing Jul 2013 #23

There's a bunch of paid right wing 'persona's' here self promoting each other, disguised as Dems grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #180

^^THIS. silvershadow Jul 2013 #282

I'm sure if Jesus came out against the surveillance state we would be hearing terrible things about Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #22

Just more evidence for the pile that reinforces what Gore Vidal said over 40 years ago. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29

^THis^ nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #76

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #144

+1 whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #196

Vidal nailed it bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #199

The right did a great job iamthebandfanman Jul 2013 #314

Exactly, and I trace this right back to 1968. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #321

One whistle blower smeared that supports Snowden so many left to go..... think Jul 2013 #30

Really? Will Russell TIce be smeared? How about William Binney? nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #35

Don't forget Drake, Wiebe, & Edmonds. Might as well smear Vallerie Plame while we are at it too think Jul 2013 #43

I think that already happened Aerows Jul 2013 #185

I'm rethinking my first response to you. Did you forget the sarcasm tag? nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #93

Sorry. I was being extremely sarcastic. Smearing Ellsberg disgusts me..... think Jul 2013 #98

Whew! I thought I generally agreed with you until 'that' post...thanks. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #106

I thought the sarcasm would be obvious but in hindsight think Jul 2013 #113

Sorry I was so dense....but you're right....sometimes I can't tell anymore. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #116

It's almost gotten to the point where reality is giving the Onion a run for it's money think Jul 2013 #118

LOL! It's borderline surreal. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #137

this.... mike_c Jul 2013 #32

There is no sacred cow or human being incapable of doing something wrong or despicable. stevenleser Jul 2013 #34

I would suggest you read the thread then decide for yourself. last1standing Jul 2013 #38

OK, so without doing further research, are any of the allegations in the OP provably false? stevenleser Jul 2013 #71

Are you really asking me to prove that Ellsberg is innocent? last1standing Jul 2013 #73

No, I am asking if two very specific allegations in that OP are true or not as a starting point. stevenleser Jul 2013 #96

No, I'm asking if his opinion is a reason to attack him with lies and smears. last1standing Jul 2013 #102

If you look at Steve's first post in this thread, he gives up the whole gig. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #115

OK, so please point out the lies in that other OP. stevenleser Jul 2013 #136

Just like you, I won't play that game. last1standing Jul 2013 #139

bail seems to be a thing of the past for whistle blowers questionseverything Jul 2013 #245

from that article questionseverything Jul 2013 #247

@stevenleser "Are Greenwald and Ellsberg on the same board of some institution? " Maedhros Jul 2013 #277

To see Greenwald's name next to mimi85 Jul 2013 #324

Not to Ellsberg [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #328

Maybe his name mimi85 Jul 2013 #335

Ooooh! You criticized him three whole times? Ain't YOU got some creds... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #70

Someone else replied to me, but whoever you are, you are on ignore. Sorry, can't read what you wrote stevenleser Jul 2013 #72

Okay Steve, let's go to the tape, shall we? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #88

WOW. Marr Jul 2013 #261

Using the ignore feature like that just makes you look willfully ignorant. nt Electric Monk Jul 2013 #105

Using it like what? You have no idea why I put anyone on ignore. Your assumption is ignorant. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #114

I don't care *why* you put him on ignore. The fact is, everyone but you can see him making a fool of Electric Monk Jul 2013 #129

Somehow, I doubt that. stevenleser Jul 2013 #269

Not ignorant, we saw the thread in question. It's in this post -- nilram Jul 2013 #310

Please stop doing that. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #149

Your talking to someone on my Iggy List, who is that you are talking too. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #194

He's under the impression that he's a celebrity, I think. Marr Jul 2013 #262

Thanks for dropping the NSA issue from your agenda. reusrename Jul 2013 #270

I've dropped it here on DU because the discourse coming from the other side is lacking. stevenleser Jul 2013 #272

If it is lacking, why not step up and defend your position? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #288

Oh I have. An no one has been able to refute any of my points. Instead, what I get back stevenleser Jul 2013 #317

Disagree with you about WHAT? Refute what POINTS? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #320

You are over a month behind. I posted two or three OPs like this one when the issue first came out stevenleser Jul 2013 #323

Ok, thanks for that link LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #340

oh puhlease fascisthunter Jul 2013 #327

k&r magellan Jul 2013 #36

What does a piece attacking Ellsberg on DU have to do with anything? cali Jul 2013 #39

It's those who put party before policy who are smearing Ellsberg. last1standing Jul 2013 #41

I think the smearing of Ellsberg is despicable, but you extrapolated far too much cali Jul 2013 #51

It's what I felt at the time (and still do). last1standing Jul 2013 #55

As usual, cali, your post displays an inordinate amount of wisdom. My salute! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #92

We're going to need a bigger bus. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #42

Could You Post The Thread Where "We" Sunk otohara Jul 2013 #46

Sure. last1standing Jul 2013 #48

You're mistaken, it was this one: Scurrilous Jul 2013 #58

Whew...So He Called For Impeachment of POTUS Obama? otohara Jul 2013 #74

Ellsberg did NOT call for Obama's impeachment. last1standing Jul 2013 #81

Disagreeing with Ellsberg is "smears, lies and misdirection"? FSogol Jul 2013 #54

No, but posts like yours are definite misdirection. last1standing Jul 2013 #56

You don't list a OP in your OP. Are we supposed to guess? FSogol Jul 2013 #61

Now you've changed the focus onto me. That's misdirection. last1standing Jul 2013 #62

WTF? Do you have a link or are you just blowing smoke? FSogol Jul 2013 #64

Ask politely and I'm glad to provide it. last1standing Jul 2013 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #68

And now the insults begin. last1standing Jul 2013 #69

Post have accused him of things without evidence and one I saw called him a racist. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #296

I think it's sad when old dudes who did something good a long time ago DevonRex Jul 2013 #57

"Maybe a midlife crisis." This is exactly what I posted about. last1standing Jul 2013 #59

I am sad. Because I think what he did then was brave and honorable, as I said. DevonRex Jul 2013 #79

Then disagree with Ellsberg. I respect that. last1standing Jul 2013 #85

I was trying to find a reason for his DevonRex Jul 2013 #110

Why does there have to be a reason other than a difference in opinions? last1standing Jul 2013 #119

Aaaaaaaaaah. sibelian Jul 2013 #175

+1 n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #63

The second you said "old dudes" so contemptuously... Bonobo Jul 2013 #83

+1 Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #157

+1000! Puglover Jul 2013 #274

Man, just when I thought it couldn't get any lower than McCarthyism, it HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #99

A midlife crisis? Dan Ellsberg is 82 so if this is his midlife, he's going to break some records... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #103

He's still ten times sharper than any of the fascist clowns trying to smear him. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #121

+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #143

Of course. Also it is obvious the smearing poster knows very little about him if they think he's Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #237

Ageism much? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #112

Not a smilie...but it might come in handy: Lucinda Jul 2013 #127

Nice one. Interesting that He's wearing a cross on His Robe. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #147

ROFL Lucinda Jul 2013 #151

LOL! That gives a whole new meaning to the notion of omniscience. - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #224

Ellsberg is a huge opponent of the provisions in the current NDAA think Jul 2013 #148

In other words, what you're saying is, "I used to like him until Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #155

Exactly. Iggo Jul 2013 #188

Yep, that's pretty much it. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #190

Bingo LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #193

Happens every day around here. n/t QC Jul 2013 #197

It's actually worse than that. DevonRex is saying, "I used to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #223

This place has an infestation of piece of shit authoritarians and Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #67

Seriously, put them on ignore. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #160

Fear makes one say some awful things..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #77

Agreed. Not to mention personal gain. Divernan Jul 2013 #183

I was going to post a similar OP but held off because I did not want to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #80

Seriously! ReRe Jul 2013 #87

Yes, we continue to throw FDR (D)'s under the bus. davidwparker Jul 2013 #90

Dan's a great guy and the folks attacking him lack coherent arguments so they do ageist Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #94

K&R. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #95

Let the Demcratic candidates be on notice. Your position on the NSA spying will influence many Purveyor Jul 2013 #97

I was thinking the exact same thing as your subject line earlier today. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #101

That thread to which you refer was one of the most pathetic, desperate things I've ever seen on DU. marmar Jul 2013 #107

"I can never ever disagree with a person who has done something I really admire"? No thank you! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #117

May I ask who you are quoting? My OP never said that so I'm not sure where it comes from. last1standing Jul 2013 #123

look at the source of that flamingpile of a post.. frylock Jul 2013 #120

Please feel free to elaborate. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #191

that poster has zero credibility.. frylock Jul 2013 #280

It's not the Party, it is a tiny faction of DUers Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #124

It's those who put party before policy. last1standing Jul 2013 #133

Link a sore asses bobduca Jul 2013 #125

yes. DEMS are just the other right wing party except they like gay campaign contributions. boilerbabe Jul 2013 #126

Your post has 80 rec's the other has 21. That's a wide margin of victory for reason and defeat Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #131

SO? Oye. He's a man probably many have babylonsister Jul 2013 #134

How would you feel if that post read 'Obama' in place of 'Ellsberg?' last1standing Jul 2013 #141

Hero? babylonsister Jul 2013 #154

Obama is a different kettle of fish because he's your hero. last1standing Jul 2013 #156

We've had plenty of those treestar Jul 2013 #205

Are you seriously trying to say that two wrongs make a right? last1standing Jul 2013 #299

It's more like how far have we sunk as a site, rather than as a party Hekate Jul 2013 #142

i don't think most Democrats know who he is JI7 Jul 2013 #150

They've painted themselves into a corner. Iggo Jul 2013 #152

that means they have only one pol left to turn on MisterP Jul 2013 #162

The attacks come solely from the "It's ok when OUR guy does it" wing of the party. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #163

Spot on! last1standing Jul 2013 #165

What exactly did members say about him that upset you. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #164

I'll give you a few choice bits... last1standing Jul 2013 #167

That is sad that these things were said. The man is clearly a hero for what he did. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #168

I'm actually fine with Snowden being a lightning rod. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #255

Very true. last1standing Jul 2013 #305

You're right. This is disgusting. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #169

DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #170

You are a call to reason. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #171

This is the creep of "moderate" Republicans into the DEM Party. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #172

Some of those "creeping" are NOT in any sense "moderate". bvar22 Jul 2013 #286

Could you... POINT ME ... in the direction of this thread, please? sibelian Jul 2013 #173

Here is a link to the thread to which this OP, I and HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #230

DU has been inundated with center-right militarists claiming to be liberals. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #176

+1 QC Jul 2013 #210

It's why I detest partisanship. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #177

JESUS! PEOPLE! They are called 'PARTIES' for a reason! renie408 Jul 2013 #181

No one is above criticism in a free society. Why should Ellsberg be so privileged? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #186

+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #206

Why wasn't Ellsberg criticized during the time when Bush was doing what is going on now? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #208

Because he's advocating impeaching a President who's not committed any crimes nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #209

Then argue against his argument. That's what I did when Bush Supporters sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #212

The kind of people who want to impeach Presidents not out of criminal conduct geek tragedy Jul 2013 #216

Ok, let me explain ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #215

And they call other people cultists. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #217

My PhD is in Psychology and if I was going to go back JoePhilly Jul 2013 #220

recently? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #221

LOL ... true. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #222

One OP had vague uncertified slander against Hissyspit Jul 2013 #297

Well folks are free to offer 'criticism' and others are free to answer that with disgust. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #225

Ellsberg did one great thing. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #228

Funny, but I don't see you condemning DUers who attack Ellsberg for HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #232

I haven't seen them. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #238

Strawman Ellsberg much? Jeesh, what's with the over-the-top HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #240

What do you think impeaching and removing the President from office amounts to? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #243

What do you think 'quote' means? It does not mean 'make up editorial characterizations'. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #251

God the hyperbole is nearly suffocating. 'Worshipped as a god'? How do you type that without Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #246

This thread is bemoaning the fact that Ellsberg is getting criticized. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #248

Again, how can you type such fact free hyperbole without howling at the straw construction? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #250

Elsewhere, I produced a quote where he said John McCain could be impeached for arguing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #256

Alright, Ellsberg said something that was wrong about impeaching senators. last1standing Jul 2013 #312

Who the fuck has said he's the absolute moral authority on all things'? You, that's who. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #249

Oh, you're his friend so the stuff he's actually said doesn't count. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #252

Anyone who believes the 24/7 attacks on the left whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #195

The left doesn't call for impeaching Obama. Only a few random cranks do nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #203

You are very correct. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #227

I don't know about overrun-- I think there are about 30 of them. Marr Jul 2013 #293

Yeah, you're probably right whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #304

I have no issue with Ellsbert. He also wrote a blog piece on Snowden on June 10th. ananda Jul 2013 #211

It's not the party doing it. Autumn Jul 2013 #213

How far have progressives sunk that they're for extended surveillance?! allin99 Jul 2013 #231

A-fucking-men! The continued McCarthyism is fucking despicable. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #254

lots heaven05 Jul 2013 #271

What do you mean "lite"? backscatter712 Jul 2013 #315

yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #332

The sooner we understand that this party is no longer the people's party... polichick Jul 2013 #276

Yep... Both Parties Fight Over, And For... The 1%... WillyT Jul 2013 #283

Disagreeing with someone is not "smearing" him, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #287

If you can't tell the difference between a Swift Boating Smear Attack, bvar22 Jul 2013 #289

A swift boating smear attack is not the same as disagreeing Progressive dog Jul 2013 #291

You win. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #300

" It's possible Ellsberg is right and the President is wrong. " Progressive dog Jul 2013 #311

"No, it isn't." Hissyspit Jul 2013 #318

Yes it is, and it is what you said Progressive dog Jul 2013 #319

I agree with everything you just posted. last1standing Jul 2013 #294

No, but making stuff up about him, and calling him a racist without evidence, are. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #295

The party has moved from FDR/JFK/LBJ to "an inch to the left of the baggers" Doctor_J Jul 2013 #290

My guess is that those who attack him were not around when upaloopa Jul 2013 #307

Saw a disgusting post about Ellsberg, but didn't want to kick that piece crap. punkin87 Jul 2013 #308

The People's View alsame Jul 2013 #316

the party is run by the wealthy class fascisthunter Jul 2013 #325

Can I rec this thread a hundred times? puh--leeeeeeze? kath Jul 2013 #330

There should be an investigation. Conium Jul 2013 #333

Why an investigation? last1standing Jul 2013 #334

Nothing to see here folks, move along. n/t bobduca Jul 2013 #339

Yep. Conium Jul 2013 #349

So, just because one person jazzimov Jul 2013 #336

I'm glad I missed that thread. blackspade Jul 2013 #337

Well, I sure missed it, and I won't be back for a few days... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #343

Democrats across the country aren't. woo me with science Jul 2013 #350