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How far have we sunk as a party that we will now attack Ellsberg? [View all] last1standing Jul 2013 OP

It's getting harder and harder not to sound like Republican these days. Octafish Jul 2013 #1

Even most republicans agree that Ellsberg is a hero. last1standing Jul 2013 #8

Well there are some so called Democrats on this board doing that very thing. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #47

It's not about tearing down Ellsberg as it is defending Obama duffyduff Jul 2013 #66

Yes, it is a cult of personality, but it also is merrily Jul 2013 #111

The Obama "cult of personality" thing is a RW talking point, AFAIAC. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #242

Unfortunately it absolutely is not. cui bono Jul 2013 #322

Excellent point. No DUer wants to see any bandwidth go toward smearing Obama. Octafish Jul 2013 #226

Nailed It! fredamae Jul 2013 #234

I am a socialist and proud if it. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #281

This should be it's own OP. Thanks for this post (I'm late getting around to reading through it).nt chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #345

It's as easy as it ever was not to sound Republican. merrily Jul 2013 #108

You forget "worship of the power structure is 'underground'" villager Jul 2013 #146

Some have left for their proper site. Rex Jul 2013 #309

Never attacked Ellsberg in my life. aquart Jul 2013 #2

I promise this thread isn't indirect propaganda for Snowden. last1standing Jul 2013 #4

South Vietnam wasn't our ally? How about other ASEAN countries? kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #17

Kennedy was blamed by many to being the virgogal Jul 2013 #158

Who changed the coup into the murder of Diem, Nhu and a Catholic priest? Octafish Jul 2013 #244

Thanks for that information. virgogal Jul 2013 #313

You really need to check out the thread in question, imho. It's really low, gutter-type HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #86

Neither did Snowden. Ellsberg released information, same as Snowden, that our 'enemies' sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #198

You're going to see much, much worse NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #3

I truly hope not. last1standing Jul 2013 #10

doesn't take nostradamus...what DO you call this? NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #26

+1 I agree....those praticipating in blind allegiance are not immune. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #31

It is really depressing when you start putting it all together. nt Live and Learn Jul 2013 #45

All that it's going to take is another major war, and poof, we'll be a police state, if indeed leveymg Jul 2013 #82

An excellent summary,. however not "one day" more like tomorrow, the changes are in place NOW! Civilization2 Jul 2013 #189

Those apologists will inhabit the same cell blocks as we radicals. The apologists HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #214

well, they genuinely think they're saving the Party from Robespierre wannabes MisterP Jul 2013 #331

"They" (meaning the Dem apologists for the National Surveillance State) need HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #338

they will be at the forefront--the moment Jan. 2017 rolls around MisterP Jul 2013 #344

Pretty low. (It's sad to witness.) deurbano Jul 2013 #5

The tent got too big. Too many conservatives, escaping from the other party decided to bring their rhett o rick Jul 2013 #264

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #6

From the same thread... Apparently, Democracy Now! is also suspect. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #7

Why should Ellsberg be off-limits to free speech feet to the fire truth to the power etc etc? n/t Scurrilous Jul 2013 #9

You seem to misunderstand 'free speech.' last1standing Jul 2013 #15

Does simply disagreeing with him count as "smearing"? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #132

Not at all. How can we learn if we never disagree? n/t last1standing Jul 2013 #135

No, but posting that he is a racist without any evidence does. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #302

What does that have to do with me? nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #346

People have been smearing him, Hissyspit Jul 2013 #347

OK. Thanks for clearing that up. arely staircase Jul 2013 #348

Don't worry. The only ones with gag orders are the whistle blowers. think Jul 2013 #28

Why should Ellsberg be off-limits to free speech feet to the fire truth to the power etc etc? n/t merrily Jul 2013 #128

So, only the President should be criticized? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #187

Is Ellsberg an elected official? Why are all Liberal authors, Whistle Blowers, like Ellsberg and sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #201

When you call for the impeachment of a Democratic president, you make geek tragedy Jul 2013 #202

Show a quote. Link. Something other than endless characterizations. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #229

So, you're on the "Ellsberg didn't say it side" as opposed to geek tragedy Jul 2013 #236

Ah, so you are on the 'make up some crap and pretend Dan said it' side. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #239

That video starts off with "do you think Obama should be impeached" geek tragedy Jul 2013 #241

But you said this was said in 'multiple interviews' but you offer this video clip only. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #253

Move the goalposts much? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #257

He absolutely does not say what you claim. Which is why you refused to quote when asked to quote. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #260

I went and got my earphones. The first question is not as you say and Dan does not say what Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #259

He is asked whether he would support impeachment, and his response is that Obama geek tragedy Jul 2013 #267

Those are two different things. spooky3 Jul 2013 #278

Saying that Obama has "committed impeachable offenses", bvar22 Jul 2013 #279

Just show a bit of character for once and apologize, for crying out loud. Marr Jul 2013 #292

You think that's an egregious twisting of words compared to geek tragedy Jul 2013 #298

God, stop squirming and lying. It's gross. Marr Jul 2013 #301

That's your interpretation. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #303

It's not an interpretation, it's a fact. You claimed he said a thing that he did not say. Marr Jul 2013 #306

no kidding fascisthunter Jul 2013 #326

He didn't call for the impeachment of Obama, and you didn't answer my question. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #285

Great Post!! hueymahl Jul 2013 #275

We should be able to be critical of everyone, especially those that are elected. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #263

Why should Obama be off-limits? burnodo Jul 2013 #182

kr HiPointDem Jul 2013 #11

*or* is Daniel attacking *me* (I realize, NOT "us") n/t UTUSN Jul 2013 #12

So we've found your saint/hero? treestar Jul 2013 #13

If you can only post insults we have little to say to each other. last1standing Jul 2013 #18

You seem to be saying there are certain people who should never be treestar Jul 2013 #49

Much better, but that is definitely not what I'm saying. last1standing Jul 2013 #53

Him suggesting that Snowden should be in fear for his life was a bit over-the-top IMHO. Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2013 #104

And that's a great way to criticize Ellsberg. last1standing Jul 2013 #109

the word "criticism" and the word "smear" treestar Jul 2013 #130

Can you honestly read that other OP and the posts supporting it and tell me those were valid... last1standing Jul 2013 #138

This is the same shit the rabid dogs used when they attacked Congressman Grayson in these pages DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #25

It would be helpful to have a list of those who are above criticism pinned to the top of the forum. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #44

Amen! treestar Jul 2013 #50

The OP didn't even mention the president. This is about slandering Ellsberg, not Obama. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #100

And I was stating that many people treestar Jul 2013 #122

I hope you don't mean me with that post because I never said or insinuated that. last1standing Jul 2013 #145

Do you have a specific criticism of Ellsberg or just a general one? think Jul 2013 #153

The sound of those chirping crickets is . . . positively HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #341

Nobody is saying Ellsberg shouldn't be criticized. Maedhros Jul 2013 #273

Specifically, criticize Ellsberg for his actions long ago or his ideas. But HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #342

I see you are using the group emoticon. How loyal. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #159

The Official Authoritarian ROFL. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #184

You can talk? treestar Jul 2013 #200

Here is a thread you should enjoy. A whistle-blower didnt get away from the authoritarian state. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #166

I think it's Assange, Greenwald, Snowden and now Ellsberg... SidDithers Jul 2013 #235

I KNEW I'd read that sort of language somewhere.... mike_c Jul 2013 #40

I don't understand. treestar Jul 2013 #52

Do you ever discuss issues or just insult people? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #161

What was insulting about that? treestar Jul 2013 #207

I want the Patriot Act repealed, do you agree? Here's a thread discussing the issue. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #258

You aren't having a discussion.. You made up a "fact" SomethingFishy Jul 2013 #284

Is he an attention seeker? nt sibelian Jul 2013 #174

Why do you think that when people respect the actions of an individual that person is their sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #204

SWEEPING GENERALIZATION ALERT!!! Trajan Jul 2013 #14

It is axiomatic. Bonobo Jul 2013 #16

Feel free to quote me... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #33

I like that! Bonobo Jul 2013 #37

That is good /nt Dragonfli Jul 2013 #75

He was a nutter, but he said some truly deep shit BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #140

I can only hope that such ("He was a nutter, but HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #219

Perhaps the highest praise there is BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #265

If you get a chance, you might want to read Erasmus' "In Praise of Folly". Erasmus HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #266

I have read some Erasmus but not that. I will check it out BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #268

It aint' the whole party TransitJohn Jul 2013 #19

Yep zeemike Jul 2013 #91

ETA: If Ellsberg is going to insert himself into the political process he's fair game. ucrdem Jul 2013 #20

Please tell me that was sarcasm. Please. last1standing Jul 2013 #24

Sit the hell down and learn some respect DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #27

DU has been so infiltrated Pharaoh Jul 2013 #78

some of them ARE PAID the gov't admits to doing this NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #84

I do believe though Pharaoh Jul 2013 #89

I truly belive you are right and it's a real worry Swagman Jul 2013 #179

I am inclined to agree navarth Jul 2013 #218

Not much learnin' goin' on in Riverside I see... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #60

you mean my secrets surely Swagman Jul 2013 #178

Please keep posting LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #192

This is one of your more illuminating statements suffragette Jul 2013 #233

Did you just DEFEND the break-in at Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #329

So some posts on DU now speak for the entire party? iandhr Jul 2013 #21

It is those who would put party before policy who are smearing him. last1standing Jul 2013 #23

There's a bunch of paid right wing 'persona's' here self promoting each other, disguised as Dems grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #180

^^THIS. silvershadow Jul 2013 #282

I'm sure if Jesus came out against the surveillance state we would be hearing terrible things about Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #22

Just more evidence for the pile that reinforces what Gore Vidal said over 40 years ago. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29

^THis^ nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #76

^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #144

+1 whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #196

Vidal nailed it bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #199

The right did a great job iamthebandfanman Jul 2013 #314

Exactly, and I trace this right back to 1968. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #321

One whistle blower smeared that supports Snowden so many left to go..... think Jul 2013 #30

Really? Will Russell TIce be smeared? How about William Binney? nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #35

Don't forget Drake, Wiebe, & Edmonds. Might as well smear Vallerie Plame while we are at it too think Jul 2013 #43

I think that already happened Aerows Jul 2013 #185

I'm rethinking my first response to you. Did you forget the sarcasm tag? nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #93

Sorry. I was being extremely sarcastic. Smearing Ellsberg disgusts me..... think Jul 2013 #98

Whew! I thought I generally agreed with you until 'that' post...thanks. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #106

I thought the sarcasm would be obvious but in hindsight think Jul 2013 #113

Sorry I was so dense....but you're right....sometimes I can't tell anymore. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #116

It's almost gotten to the point where reality is giving the Onion a run for it's money think Jul 2013 #118

LOL! It's borderline surreal. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #137

this.... mike_c Jul 2013 #32

There is no sacred cow or human being incapable of doing something wrong or despicable. stevenleser Jul 2013 #34

I would suggest you read the thread then decide for yourself. last1standing Jul 2013 #38

OK, so without doing further research, are any of the allegations in the OP provably false? stevenleser Jul 2013 #71

Are you really asking me to prove that Ellsberg is innocent? last1standing Jul 2013 #73

No, I am asking if two very specific allegations in that OP are true or not as a starting point. stevenleser Jul 2013 #96

No, I'm asking if his opinion is a reason to attack him with lies and smears. last1standing Jul 2013 #102

If you look at Steve's first post in this thread, he gives up the whole gig. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #115

OK, so please point out the lies in that other OP. stevenleser Jul 2013 #136

Just like you, I won't play that game. last1standing Jul 2013 #139

bail seems to be a thing of the past for whistle blowers questionseverything Jul 2013 #245

from that article questionseverything Jul 2013 #247

@stevenleser "Are Greenwald and Ellsberg on the same board of some institution? " Maedhros Jul 2013 #277

To see Greenwald's name next to mimi85 Jul 2013 #324

Not to Ellsberg [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2013 #328

Maybe his name mimi85 Jul 2013 #335

Ooooh! You criticized him three whole times? Ain't YOU got some creds... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #70

Someone else replied to me, but whoever you are, you are on ignore. Sorry, can't read what you wrote stevenleser Jul 2013 #72

Okay Steve, let's go to the tape, shall we? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #88

WOW. Marr Jul 2013 #261

Using the ignore feature like that just makes you look willfully ignorant. nt Electric Monk Jul 2013 #105

Using it like what? You have no idea why I put anyone on ignore. Your assumption is ignorant. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #114

I don't care *why* you put him on ignore. The fact is, everyone but you can see him making a fool of Electric Monk Jul 2013 #129

Somehow, I doubt that. stevenleser Jul 2013 #269

Not ignorant, we saw the thread in question. It's in this post -- nilram Jul 2013 #310

Please stop doing that. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #149

Your talking to someone on my Iggy List, who is that you are talking too. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #194

He's under the impression that he's a celebrity, I think. Marr Jul 2013 #262

Thanks for dropping the NSA issue from your agenda. reusrename Jul 2013 #270

I've dropped it here on DU because the discourse coming from the other side is lacking. stevenleser Jul 2013 #272

If it is lacking, why not step up and defend your position? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #288

Oh I have. An no one has been able to refute any of my points. Instead, what I get back stevenleser Jul 2013 #317

Disagree with you about WHAT? Refute what POINTS? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #320

You are over a month behind. I posted two or three OPs like this one when the issue first came out stevenleser Jul 2013 #323

Ok, thanks for that link LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #340

oh puhlease fascisthunter Jul 2013 #327

k&r magellan Jul 2013 #36

What does a piece attacking Ellsberg on DU have to do with anything? cali Jul 2013 #39

It's those who put party before policy who are smearing Ellsberg. last1standing Jul 2013 #41

I think the smearing of Ellsberg is despicable, but you extrapolated far too much cali Jul 2013 #51

It's what I felt at the time (and still do). last1standing Jul 2013 #55

As usual, cali, your post displays an inordinate amount of wisdom. My salute! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #92

We're going to need a bigger bus. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #42

Could You Post The Thread Where "We" Sunk otohara Jul 2013 #46

Sure. last1standing Jul 2013 #48

You're mistaken, it was this one: Scurrilous Jul 2013 #58

Whew...So He Called For Impeachment of POTUS Obama? otohara Jul 2013 #74

Ellsberg did NOT call for Obama's impeachment. last1standing Jul 2013 #81

Disagreeing with Ellsberg is "smears, lies and misdirection"? FSogol Jul 2013 #54

No, but posts like yours are definite misdirection. last1standing Jul 2013 #56

You don't list a OP in your OP. Are we supposed to guess? FSogol Jul 2013 #61

Now you've changed the focus onto me. That's misdirection. last1standing Jul 2013 #62

WTF? Do you have a link or are you just blowing smoke? FSogol Jul 2013 #64

Ask politely and I'm glad to provide it. last1standing Jul 2013 #65

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #68

And now the insults begin. last1standing Jul 2013 #69

Post have accused him of things without evidence and one I saw called him a racist. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #296

I think it's sad when old dudes who did something good a long time ago DevonRex Jul 2013 #57

"Maybe a midlife crisis." This is exactly what I posted about. last1standing Jul 2013 #59

I am sad. Because I think what he did then was brave and honorable, as I said. DevonRex Jul 2013 #79

Then disagree with Ellsberg. I respect that. last1standing Jul 2013 #85

I was trying to find a reason for his DevonRex Jul 2013 #110

Why does there have to be a reason other than a difference in opinions? last1standing Jul 2013 #119

Aaaaaaaaaah. sibelian Jul 2013 #175

+1 n/t FSogol Jul 2013 #63

The second you said "old dudes" so contemptuously... Bonobo Jul 2013 #83

+1 Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #157

+1000! Puglover Jul 2013 #274

Man, just when I thought it couldn't get any lower than McCarthyism, it HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #99

A midlife crisis? Dan Ellsberg is 82 so if this is his midlife, he's going to break some records... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #103

He's still ten times sharper than any of the fascist clowns trying to smear him. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #121

+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #143

Of course. Also it is obvious the smearing poster knows very little about him if they think he's Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #237

Ageism much? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #112

Not a smilie...but it might come in handy: Lucinda Jul 2013 #127

Nice one. Interesting that He's wearing a cross on His Robe. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #147

ROFL Lucinda Jul 2013 #151

LOL! That gives a whole new meaning to the notion of omniscience. - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #224

Ellsberg is a huge opponent of the provisions in the current NDAA think Jul 2013 #148

In other words, what you're saying is, "I used to like him until Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2013 #155

Exactly. Iggo Jul 2013 #188

Yep, that's pretty much it. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #190

Bingo LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #193

Happens every day around here. n/t QC Jul 2013 #197

It's actually worse than that. DevonRex is saying, "I used to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #223

This place has an infestation of piece of shit authoritarians and Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #67

Seriously, put them on ignore. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #160

Fear makes one say some awful things..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #77

Agreed. Not to mention personal gain. Divernan Jul 2013 #183

I was going to post a similar OP but held off because I did not want to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #80

Seriously! ReRe Jul 2013 #87

Yes, we continue to throw FDR (D)'s under the bus. davidwparker Jul 2013 #90

Dan's a great guy and the folks attacking him lack coherent arguments so they do ageist Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #94

K&R. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #95

Let the Demcratic candidates be on notice. Your position on the NSA spying will influence many Purveyor Jul 2013 #97

I was thinking the exact same thing as your subject line earlier today. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #101

That thread to which you refer was one of the most pathetic, desperate things I've ever seen on DU. marmar Jul 2013 #107

"I can never ever disagree with a person who has done something I really admire"? No thank you! struggle4progress Jul 2013 #117

May I ask who you are quoting? My OP never said that so I'm not sure where it comes from. last1standing Jul 2013 #123

look at the source of that flamingpile of a post.. frylock Jul 2013 #120

Please feel free to elaborate. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #191

that poster has zero credibility.. frylock Jul 2013 #280

It's not the Party, it is a tiny faction of DUers Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #124

It's those who put party before policy. last1standing Jul 2013 #133

Link a sore asses bobduca Jul 2013 #125

yes. DEMS are just the other right wing party except they like gay campaign contributions. boilerbabe Jul 2013 #126

Your post has 80 rec's the other has 21. That's a wide margin of victory for reason and defeat Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #131

SO? Oye. He's a man probably many have babylonsister Jul 2013 #134

How would you feel if that post read 'Obama' in place of 'Ellsberg?' last1standing Jul 2013 #141

Hero? babylonsister Jul 2013 #154

Obama is a different kettle of fish because he's your hero. last1standing Jul 2013 #156

We've had plenty of those treestar Jul 2013 #205

Are you seriously trying to say that two wrongs make a right? last1standing Jul 2013 #299

It's more like how far have we sunk as a site, rather than as a party Hekate Jul 2013 #142

i don't think most Democrats know who he is JI7 Jul 2013 #150

They've painted themselves into a corner. Iggo Jul 2013 #152

that means they have only one pol left to turn on MisterP Jul 2013 #162

The attacks come solely from the "It's ok when OUR guy does it" wing of the party. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #163

Spot on! last1standing Jul 2013 #165

What exactly did members say about him that upset you. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #164

I'll give you a few choice bits... last1standing Jul 2013 #167

That is sad that these things were said. The man is clearly a hero for what he did. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #168

I'm actually fine with Snowden being a lightning rod. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #255

Very true. last1standing Jul 2013 #305

You're right. This is disgusting. senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #169

DURec leftstreet Jul 2013 #170

You are a call to reason. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #171

This is the creep of "moderate" Republicans into the DEM Party. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #172

Some of those "creeping" are NOT in any sense "moderate". bvar22 Jul 2013 #286

Could you... POINT ME ... in the direction of this thread, please? sibelian Jul 2013 #173

Here is a link to the thread to which this OP, I and HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #230

DU has been inundated with center-right militarists claiming to be liberals. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #176

+1 QC Jul 2013 #210

It's why I detest partisanship. Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #177

JESUS! PEOPLE! They are called 'PARTIES' for a reason! renie408 Jul 2013 #181

No one is above criticism in a free society. Why should Ellsberg be so privileged? nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #186

+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #206

Why wasn't Ellsberg criticized during the time when Bush was doing what is going on now? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #208

Because he's advocating impeaching a President who's not committed any crimes nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #209

Then argue against his argument. That's what I did when Bush Supporters sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #212

The kind of people who want to impeach Presidents not out of criminal conduct geek tragedy Jul 2013 #216

Ok, let me explain ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #215

And they call other people cultists. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #217

My PhD is in Psychology and if I was going to go back JoePhilly Jul 2013 #220

recently? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #221

LOL ... true. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #222

One OP had vague uncertified slander against Hissyspit Jul 2013 #297

Well folks are free to offer 'criticism' and others are free to answer that with disgust. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #225

Ellsberg did one great thing. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #228

Funny, but I don't see you condemning DUers who attack Ellsberg for HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #232

I haven't seen them. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #238

Strawman Ellsberg much? Jeesh, what's with the over-the-top HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #240

What do you think impeaching and removing the President from office amounts to? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #243

What do you think 'quote' means? It does not mean 'make up editorial characterizations'. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #251

God the hyperbole is nearly suffocating. 'Worshipped as a god'? How do you type that without Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #246

This thread is bemoaning the fact that Ellsberg is getting criticized. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #248

Again, how can you type such fact free hyperbole without howling at the straw construction? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #250

Elsewhere, I produced a quote where he said John McCain could be impeached for arguing geek tragedy Jul 2013 #256

Alright, Ellsberg said something that was wrong about impeaching senators. last1standing Jul 2013 #312

Who the fuck has said he's the absolute moral authority on all things'? You, that's who. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #249

Oh, you're his friend so the stuff he's actually said doesn't count. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #252

Anyone who believes the 24/7 attacks on the left whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #195

The left doesn't call for impeaching Obama. Only a few random cranks do nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #203

You are very correct. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #227

I don't know about overrun-- I think there are about 30 of them. Marr Jul 2013 #293

Yeah, you're probably right whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #304

I have no issue with Ellsbert. He also wrote a blog piece on Snowden on June 10th. ananda Jul 2013 #211

It's not the party doing it. Autumn Jul 2013 #213

How far have progressives sunk that they're for extended surveillance?! allin99 Jul 2013 #231

A-fucking-men! The continued McCarthyism is fucking despicable. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #254

lots heaven05 Jul 2013 #271

What do you mean "lite"? backscatter712 Jul 2013 #315

yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #332

The sooner we understand that this party is no longer the people's party... polichick Jul 2013 #276

Yep... Both Parties Fight Over, And For... The 1%... WillyT Jul 2013 #283

Disagreeing with someone is not "smearing" him, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #287

If you can't tell the difference between a Swift Boating Smear Attack, bvar22 Jul 2013 #289

A swift boating smear attack is not the same as disagreeing Progressive dog Jul 2013 #291

You win. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #300

" It's possible Ellsberg is right and the President is wrong. " Progressive dog Jul 2013 #311

"No, it isn't." Hissyspit Jul 2013 #318

Yes it is, and it is what you said Progressive dog Jul 2013 #319

I agree with everything you just posted. last1standing Jul 2013 #294

No, but making stuff up about him, and calling him a racist without evidence, are. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #295

The party has moved from FDR/JFK/LBJ to "an inch to the left of the baggers" Doctor_J Jul 2013 #290

My guess is that those who attack him were not around when upaloopa Jul 2013 #307

Saw a disgusting post about Ellsberg, but didn't want to kick that piece crap. punkin87 Jul 2013 #308

The People's View alsame Jul 2013 #316

the party is run by the wealthy class fascisthunter Jul 2013 #325

Can I rec this thread a hundred times? puh--leeeeeeze? kath Jul 2013 #330

There should be an investigation. Conium Jul 2013 #333

Why an investigation? last1standing Jul 2013 #334

Nothing to see here folks, move along. n/t bobduca Jul 2013 #339

Yep. Conium Jul 2013 #349

So, just because one person jazzimov Jul 2013 #336

I'm glad I missed that thread. blackspade Jul 2013 #337

Well, I sure missed it, and I won't be back for a few days... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #343

Democrats across the country aren't. woo me with science Jul 2013 #350