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92. Ok. Now I'm not being a dick here. What's the plan?...........

Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:53 PM

Jun 2013

You know this is a slippery slope. It will eventually come down to archiving the contents of all calls and E-mails.
That technology exists now. The excuse of only referencing it 'if their is just cause' and 'we have a court order', isn't gonna cut it.
We can be fairly sure that any Obama replacement will just want MORE.
Where does it stop? How many traffic cams per person is enough?
Do we all write our elected official. Ha! One phone call from a lobbyist renders that useless.
Impeach Obama and hope for the best. When have you ever heard of one of them giving up power.
Do we apply a 'First Amendment remedy' Generate enough data to flood the system. Not possible.

I might suggest that the first step is to understand and accept how very large a problem this is.
Accept the scope and history of the problem NOT the problem it's self.

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Republicans are playing Democrats like a fiddle [View all] Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 OP

Well said. Comatose Sphagetti Jun 2013 #1

It's the Bush families way of getting Jeb nominated. BTW, Rand Paul is part of Team Bush. graham4anything Jun 2013 #2

+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #46

Same to all of you guys. freshwest Jun 2013 #119

If they overthrew Boehner... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #111

Yeah but some Democrats are supplying the music. byeya Jun 2013 #3

Worse. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #10

The number of posts here faulting the President for FISA data mining that was BUSH's baby xtraxritical Jun 2013 #32

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Pres. Obama could, today, with the swipe of a pen, premium Jun 2013 #80

From Huffington Post... xtraxritical Jun 2013 #95

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It is amazing the attempts being made to have us goosestep in line... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #11

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Hey, all I did was vote for the.... AlbertCat Jun 2013 #59

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+100 n/t hopemountain Jun 2013 #110

Ofcourse! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #129

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because they defend republican bullshit. They aren't really against it. boston bean Jun 2013 #8

Politics is not a sports game and should not be played as one. RC Jun 2013 #68

Because the corporate media One of the 99 Jun 2013 #100

Someone has decided that the media will highlight this Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #131

On top of Benghazi/IRS/AP Leakgate BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #167

Hook. Line. and Sinker, jbond56 Jun 2013 #7

I'm an "old poster"... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #34

What Bush did was unconstitutional. jbond56 Jun 2013 #88

And it STILL is unconstitutional no matter that it's happening now under OBAMA. alarimer Jun 2013 #178

Many people here on DU who you and others claim "accept" surveillance, cheapdate Jun 2013 #90

Everyone should read #90 jbond56 Jun 2013 #91

...and reject it for lack of actual facts. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #94

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Your rejection is duly noted. cheapdate Jun 2013 #105

Facts are needed. I know... Fox News has rendered "facts" as optional.... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #109

You've posted three times in this discussion between you and I. cheapdate Jun 2013 #116

bzzt... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #93

Congress is the branch that revises or repeals Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #144

Been here seven years and think the same thing. When the previous admin was SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #102

Everybody's mining data, get used to it. Where do you think all your spam comes from? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #117

I think I'll remain uncomfortable with my fourth amendment rights being violated. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #118

The spying thing Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #139

Yes, any democrat who is upset about being spied on is a hapless rube whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #9

Republican spying is much much worse than Democratic spying donchyaknow. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #13

You've obviously been possessed by an evil republican entity whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #15

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No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #20

So you claim whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #23

I choose to live in the real world ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #26

I think not whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #27

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there heaven05 Jun 2013 #89

They did feel that slippery slope. - They Thought They Were Free: Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #160

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yes heaven05 Jun 2013 #179

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And a short while ago no one was mining any of my data. They would of course A Simple Game Jun 2013 #42

You are not being spied on treestar Jun 2013 #38

That's an opinion whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #41

The government continually tracking your whereabouts is not even in contention here treestar Jun 2013 #44

That's your faith-based opinion whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #55

YOu answer, you are the one saying they have too much power treestar Jun 2013 #58

What can it do? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #64

What are the limits? There lies the problem. They use super secret handshake courts A Simple Game Jun 2013 #57

Even if 'they' were Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #132

wow backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #165

So I should be pissed, outraged even, when a Republican President nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12

Obama is doing more than enforcing it B2G Jun 2013 #24

If Congress passed it and enabled it Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #135

Well yeah. treestar Jun 2013 #40

This program should have been defunded by congress nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

Then why blame the President that congress did not do so? treestar Jun 2013 #61

Cause I don't know, he is the Chief executive nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #63

He is the Chief Executive, not Congress treestar Jun 2013 #122

Slowly now nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #124

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They might be coming anyhow nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #140

Read the whole thing. longship Jun 2013 #151

It will take a couple days. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #153

Or the River Styx, my friend. nt longship Jun 2013 #159

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He does not clearly support them treestar Jun 2013 #123

"He does not clearly support them." BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! woo me with science Jun 2013 #141

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you heaven05 Jun 2013 #180

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We seem to have a Congress which is content with this? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #133

True nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #136

true heaven05 Jun 2013 #182

They see an opportunity. kentuck Jun 2013 #14

but Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #142

That is bullshit, twisting, and contorting to avoid admitting that we are being screwed GoneFishin Jun 2013 #16

What? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #143

and the "liberally-biased media" is zbdent Jun 2013 #17

Exactly, if Democrats don't vigorously support an incipient police state then Republicans win Fumesucker Jun 2013 #18

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lol NT ctsnowman Jun 2013 #79

And this administration is also stupidly and/or COMPLICITLY being played like a fiddle too! cascadiance Jun 2013 #19

We need a congress which Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #146

we are suckers for the "they are all the same" bullshit greenman3610 Jun 2013 #21

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True Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #147

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We are not done Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #148

We need to get rid of the scum all around us MuseRider Jun 2013 #171

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not exactly Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #149

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EXACTLY!!! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #150

^^^THIS^^^ riqster Jun 2013 #183

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remember Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #152

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I have to wonder. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #31

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corporate dominated Republicans/media control etc Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #155

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Time for a change? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #157

It starts sensationalized Politicub Jun 2013 #36

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Maybe Obama shouldn't have handed midterms to the GOP on a platter DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #43

+1000 forestpath Jun 2013 #108

TPM linked an article written in Bloomberg Businessweek Magazine, Nov 22, 2011.. nenagh Jun 2013 #47

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Rephrase.. to some Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #163

Like these Democrats, three of whom I voted for and who represent me? suffragette Jun 2013 #187

Hay, I'm safe. I don't use Verizon................... wandy Jun 2013 #52

Will you all defend them then? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #82

This is not about defending Obama....... wandy Jun 2013 #85

He. Supports. It. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #86

Ok. Now I'm not being a dick here. What's the plan?........... wandy Jun 2013 #92

And, the NSA is spying on the people. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #53

It has been for some time Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #145

Their plot for Obama to expand Bush's powers is *brilliant* MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #60

Yes . . . caseymoz Jun 2013 #72

Well, then it's a fu*cking great strategy. caseymoz Jun 2013 #67

Get with the 3D chess program. All we have to do is lose everything, GoneFishin Jun 2013 #70

ever think it might not be and either / or scenario? Skittles Jun 2013 #75

They're Playing The Corporate Media Who... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #76

Then let's end the issue right now LittleBlue Jun 2013 #78

you mean it's not true? They just made this NSA stuff up? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #83

Gustav Noske? MisterP Jun 2013 #84

Duped how? MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #87

That would be some Democrats.. and some have even left the Party.. Cha Jun 2013 #96

Not being played here, but still angry Lifelong Protester Jun 2013 #104

These are orchestrated turbulent times for Obama's administration, but I will mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #106

Democrats have never walked link n step, depending on the issue. still_one Jun 2013 #107

If we are playing only politics you are right, if we are playing how do we turn this thing around kickysnana Jun 2013 #125

Stock Response to Obama Adjacent Critique #17! DirkGently Jun 2013 #130

I am beginning to wonder if some aren't on a payroll Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #154

well Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #161

The gopropaganda machine has done a fucking lousy job in Congress Cha Jun 2013 #134

Which Republican is masterminding this? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #156

You tell me Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #158

You're the one who made the claim DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #162

First of all Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #164

Thank you DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #166

in the 1870s it was the Vatican that was supposed to be controlling all the county governments and MisterP Jun 2013 #189

i did`t know we were electing obama..... madrchsod Jun 2013 #169

it didn't say anything about Obama Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #184

Wouldn't be such a problem if tblue Jun 2013 #170

yup, meanwhile at the very local level Rs control the communities. Sunlei Jun 2013 #175

What a poor opinion you must have of your fellow Dems burnodo Jun 2013 #185

Yep. And, the White House calls it Bi-partisanship and compromise. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #186

perfect o.p. nt UTUSN Jun 2013 #188