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In reply to the discussion: Republicans are playing Democrats like a fiddle [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Do you really think that the Republicans are so much more intelligent than we are? First, figure out how we got into this mess. We got into this mess because our President and our people in power decided to continue the abomination of the Bush Policy. That by the way is how we've gotten into most of our messes with this administration. Fast and Furious was a continuation of an asinine Bush Co plan. It was stupid under Bush, and it was dumber than crap under our people. We knew it hadn't worked, and we continued it.
Telephone Records being seized by the DOJ looks even dumber now. They had the information all the time.
Benghazi? Continuation of a Bush era CIA plan to arm rebels anywhere they happen to be.
Now this. Again, Continuation of Bush era violations of the Constitution.
After the first one, we should have figured out that it was a bad idea. But no, we keep on going down this path, and losing prestige, and losing faith of the American People. As I pointed out in another thread. If you hire me as a manager, I am blameless for everything that happened before I got there. I am absolutely responsible for everything that happens once I take charge. Now, you might be willing to give me a little time to get things running the way I want.
It's been more than four years, at this point, it absolutely is ours. We can't blame Bush anymore. We've had too long to make the changes, and we've had too many lost opportunities to make those changes. I said before, many times, that President Obama should have vetoed the PATRIOT ACT extension. The apologists like you all shout the same answer. If there was another attack, he'd be blamed for not acting.
Really? Let the Republicans argue that, and we argue the Constitution. Imagine this, the President gets on TV and says he just Vetoed the PATRIOT ACT because as a Legal Scholar, a man who taught Constitutional Law, he has no doubt that it is absolutely a violation of the Constitution. Then he says he is absolutely in favor of protecting America, and American lives. He outlines programs that would pass constitutional muster, and calls on Congress to authorize them.
President Obama finishes with. "My oath is to defend the Constitution, and I can not in good conscience allow this immoral, and unconstitutional spying on citizens of our nation to continue in direct violation of the 4th Amendment."
Let the Republicans explain why we need to invade everyone's privacy. Let them make the asinine arguments that the spying isn't that bad, and what do you have to hide? Let them be the party that shreds the Constitution, and we are the party that upholds the rights of the individuals. If an attack happens, President Obama blames congress for not authorizing the programs he laid out and asked for.
We win, because we have our privacy. The party wins because we are on the side of the individual, and the individual right to privacy. The Republicans are left arguing that the Constitution is an ancient document and the Government has to shred it, if they dare.
Instead where are we? We are making the Republican arguments for them. We are making the argument that the 4th Amendment doesn't matter. We are left holding the damned bag. And you know what else? We deserve to look like crap because we were more afraid of looking weak, than standing up for what we believed in. Now, where we go from here is strictly up to us. We can belatedly do the right thing, and take a ding because of it. Or we can continue the Bush policies, and find ourselves trying to explain why they weren't so bad after all. But what do we run on in 2014, and 2016? What is our motto to be? We're just like them, but nicer?